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derogatory?[edit]

I doubt the use of derogatory in the description. I have many Indian friends who use the term ABCD without any derogatory intention. The terms is very similar to ABC for American Born Chinese. I also know may Chinese friends who call themselves ABC. Kowloonese 23:43, Jun 13, 2005 (UTC)

While it is used to be derogative on occasion, most of the time I hear it used in a friendly manner; I could abide by 'derogatory', but agree with the edit. shuri 30 June 2005 20:45 (UTC)

History deletion[edit]

Some text that was previously added to the article that was incorrect and possibly libelous. It had already been removed a few months ago, but I've now those revisions from the history on the request of the person who was mentioned in the article. The only changes deleted that remain in the current article were by 68.167.43.140 (talk · contribs) and are shown in this diff (with the exception of the addition of the category). No other significant edits were affected by the removal of these revisions. Angela . 11:16, August 22, 2005 (UTC)

object to merge[edit]

This article has more do with social issues for not just Indian Americans.--Dangerous-Boy 01:14, 17 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I dont foresee this article growing more than what it is at present. With slight changes this will perfectly fit into Indian American as a section. If you link at what links here you only see Indian related articles only. So none of the other relevant parties seems to be concerned about it --Vyzasatya 06:30, 17 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

nit pick[edit]

Why would a so-called 'abcd' have a house in Jersey ? I must be missing something. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 219.77.91.41 (talk) 05:13, 22 December 2006 (UTC).[reply]

It is a play on the fact that New Jersey is home to a significant Indian American population Akubhai 17:13, 24 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Poorly Written[edit]

The article has too many problems. Too many POV- and unsourced statements. What is the history of the term? All those goofy statements about why American born people of Indian heritage might be confused need to go. (From my perspective, although I haven't looked for sources for this, it is more likely that the Indian-born American immigrants feel the "confusion" and then project it on the American-born "cousins.") Fowler&fowler «Talk» 15:49, 6 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Its not notable outside a couple diaspora films, which liberally use the term to describe "ABCD" in contrast to FOB.Baka man 23:03, 6 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Not to mention, the article contains a lot of original research. I don't think it merits having its own article (unless it can be written WAY better?); it should be merged with Indian Americans. --vi5in ^[talk] 17:31, 11 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I'll put up a template stating this. --vi5in^[talk] 17:37, 11 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Merge[edit]

Here are my reasons:

The article is poorly written (a lot of POV, Original Research, and plain goofy statements). If it can be rewritten, it may be good enough for an article by itself.
It's not notable outside the south-asian community in the United States. Like someone mentioned before, the term is liberally used in diaspora films but outside of that, it is virtually unknown. So I don't know if that makes it notable enough.
I think it would make more sense to have this article as a subsection of South Asian American since it definitely describes a subset of the same.

These are just my reasons. --vi5in^[talk] 17:42, 11 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I second the "merge" idea. A short paragraph about ABCD could be added to a "Trivia" section in South Asian Americans. Fowler&fowler «Talk» 19:29, 11 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I support a merge, as perhaps a "portrayal in media/self-portrayal" section. No need to repeat what vivin and fowler have already said in terms of rationale.Baka man 22:24, 11 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I support the merge as well. Vivin has sufficietly dealt with the reasons. ABCD seems too trivial to exist on its own. Gizza^Chat ^© 23:37, 11 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I have added a paragraph to the "Identity" section in South Asian American, which describes the term ABCD. --vi5in^[talk] 16:29, 16 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Since this article has been merged with South Asian American, ~~I'm going to put this up for deletion.~~ I'm going to redirect this to the same. I hope there are no objections. --vi5in^[talk] 15:20, 18 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Revert Merge, reasons[edit]

I have just undone the merge and restored the original article. Ghis is because ABCD is not used to describe a social group, it is a term used in a derogatory and judgemental way and to a. Describe the social and cultural norm of a group of people, ie 2nd generation (or later) Indians and to descrie a way of life. b. That this way of life is different from a depicted parent (Sub-continental) culture and a different destination culture (western society). c. That the individual may ascertain his Cultural heritage when in a western society, but ascertain his amalgamtion when in presence of those from the prent culture or society. d. They may and do feel judged, and attenuate their behaviour accordingy, and this shapes a new cultulre. See [1] and [2] for reference.

No access to the source? --vi5in^[talk] 02:49, 20 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

generalizations[edit]

"Most modern day "American Born" Indians have very strong ties to India."

I think this is a massive generalization that does not hold true for many of my friends. The ABCDs I know are North Americans who happen to be brown and get pissed when guys ask if they wear saris.

Also, Canada exists. Sevenlies 14:15, 29 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

"ABCD", 1999 Movie[edit]

There is a 1999 movie called ABCD (at imdb.com). Plot summary: "The only goal of an ageing Asian-American widow is to see her son and rebellious daughter (described as an American Born Confused Deshi or ABCD) married off to respectable Indian families." IMDB calls it a drama but it also had some funny moments. For a VERY low budget ($200,000) film, it was very good. I suppose it would help to explain ABCD in an entertaining way so I think it might be useful to include it in the main article somewhere. Also, a movie named "ABCD" gives a sort of cultural validation to the term. (The film was NOT a blockbuster, so the opposite argument could also be used: ABCD was a title devoid of cultural meaning that no one could relate to which is why the movie bombed at the box office.) 130.132.24.95 (talk) 05:28, 6 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

In October 2012‎ someone created a Wikipedia article for this film at ABCD: American-Born Confused Desi. --Marc Kupper|talk 06:40, 20 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The current article says:

The term American-Born Confused Desi first appeared in the movie American Desi (2001).

Since "ABCD" was released in 1999, that cannot be accurate. The term must have been in use prior to release of the earlier movie, otherwise they would have had to spell it out in the original title. www.abcd-themovie.com/press.html 162.205.5.130 (talk) 00:10, 13 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]