Talk:Algernon Charles Swinburne

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Redirect[edit]

Per Talk:Algernon Swinburne, I have moved Algernon Swinburne here, and placed a redirect at Algernon Swinburne, on the basis that A C Swinburne is not named "Algernon Swinburne," omitting "Charles," in any source I may locate (Library of Congress Catalogue, Oxford Encyclopedia of British Literature), nor in any of his own works, that I can recall --Yst 15:31, 21 March 2007 (UTC

Ashburnham family[edit]

Weren't they Sussex, not Northumbrian? See separate articles. Seadowns (talk) 12:07, 27 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Rustication[edit]

Is rustication such a rare distinction? I rather thought it endemic during my time at Oxford. At least among my circle.

There's no evidence in any printed source I can find for the assertion at everything2.com (not a reliable source that Swinburn was rusticated for his political opinions; the consensus is that it was for failing two examinations. Kenilworth Terrace (talk) 17:31, 14 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Talent[edit]

"The most talented English language poets in history"? Would that be to say that there are poets, actual published poets in the English language, who were not very talented? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fixlein (talk • contribs) 20:18, 9 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, absolutely tons of them. Mostly in the 20th/21st century —Preceding unsigned comment added by 138.163.0.44 (talk) 20:01, 16 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

If Swinburne is your example of the superiority of 19th century poets to those of the 20th/21st century, I'm afraid you've shown up to the battle empty-handed. Of course, that lit crit war was decided ages ago, and only those in the most secluded (neglected?) towers have yet to hear news of the surrender.

More on topic, however, I agree with what I believe Fixlein is implying: "[Swinburne's] mastery of vocabulary, rhyme and metre arguably put him among the most talented English language poets in history" is highly contested at best and certainly a strange statement to appear in an encyclopaedia entry.

To whoever contributed this last unsigned bit of dribble: The "battle" is far from over, your bluster notwithstanding. There are still plenty who realize that the Emperors of modern "poetry" have no clothes. It's good to see that "unsigned's" comment stuck a nerve, though.

More on topic, however: Why is it bothersome that Swinburne's mastery of prosody is praiseworthy, whereas Eliot's criticism of Swinburne's prose style is not? This entire article could use revision, actually, with the value-judgments of both camps excised, or at least balanced and qualified.Pernoctus (talk) 23:41, 1 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

One talent of his that is not mentioned was his ability to write Greek verse. This gained him much respect in Victorian England, I believe. It showed that there was something really solid behind him. Seadowns (talk) 11:41, 18 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Orientation[edit]

I believe he was bi; can anyone confirm that? Nietzsche 2 (talk) 14:51, 8 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

As a true Wikipedian, you are to be commended for your attempt to further the agenda. There must be no rest until every Wikipedia biography contains assertions and claims that the person in the article possessed or possesses such tendencies and behavioral characteristics.173.72.63.150 (talk) 21:50, 14 February 2014 (UTC)ProgressiveEvolutionary[reply]

Angels and ministers of grace defend us, I thought I was the only person on the planet who is weary of and dismayed at this mission by some Wikipedians to prove that every human being, living or defunct, is/was bisexual, and that their sexual orientation was/is somehow relevant to their achievement. I am reassured. 2001:44B8:3102:BB00:34CC:7656:4CAE:29DF (talk) 10:16, 22 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

According to my lecturer at Aberystwyth University, he was in a relationship with George Powell of Nanteos a benefactor to the School of Art in Aberystwyth. Sata1991 (talk) 19:14, 23 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Sarcastic commentary aside, unless his sexual orientation is somehow relevant to his life and/or work, who gives a flying F? The Aberystwyth website describes Powell as a "close friend". Can we not just leave it at that? DoctorJoeE ^{review transgressions}/_{talk to me!} 19:37, 23 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Swinburne and Whitman[edit]

This is a quote from the Brooklyn Eagle of April 6, 1868 (Whitman was editor of the Brooklyn Eagle 1846 - 1848) - not sure if it is relevant or can be worked into the article:

'It is not often a writer receives from a contemporary a notice so entirely first-rate as the poet Swinburne has given the poet Walt Whitman. The former finds in the latter enough resemblance to William Blake to encourage a belief in “the transition of souls or transfusion of spirits.” He calls him a “great American,” and admires him hugely because he is a “passionate preacher of sexual and political freedom.” Enthusiasm for the first of these specialties of liberty seems to have made Swinburne mildly insane. The “casual audacities of expression” which forbid any gentleman to put “Leaves of Grass” on his parlor table do not alarm Swinburne, who says Whitman’s “work is generally more frank and fresh, smelling of sweeter air,” than anybody else’s excepting Blake’s. Happily for Blake he is dead and cannot read the “odorous” comparison. But Whitman ought to come down from the top of his omnibus and tender Swinburne that shocking bad hat.'

Epinoia (talk) 15:13, 3 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]