Talk:Alexander Dennis

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With ADL's product offering being rather complicated, I'm not sure the current Product list correctly reflects the company's current line up. The Enviro range are all under "Complete Buses", yet the Enviro300 chassis is available separately and the Enviro500 body is available on Volvo chassis - and ADL are saying the Enviro400 body will soon be available on other chassis and the Enviro200Dart chassis available to other bodybuilders. Therefore although they are available as complete buses, some body/chassis are available separately. So the simple question is - what are they?? Without separate names for the chassis and body for the new range it makes it rather confusing. --Ayrshire--77 07:42, 22 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The chassis the Enviro range are built on are (discounting Alexander Dennis itself): Enviro200: MAN 14.240; Enviro300: Volvo B7RLE; Enviro400: Volvo B9TL, VDL DB250; Alexander Enviro500: Volvo B9TL.

Naming convention[edit]

As far as I can ascertain, the Enviro series names are all rendered without a space (e.g. Enviro200), both on ADL's website and in reputable secondary sources (for example, the Ian Allan book "Bus and Coach Recognition").

However, thus far it appears that usage on Wikipedia has overwhelmingly been to insert a space (e.g. Enviro 200).

I feel that this ought to be corrected, but doing so will involve changing quite large numbers of links.

So, first of all, does anyone disagree with me?

And secondly, assuming the consensus is with me, is anyone willing to help with trawling through and correcting all occurrences of the spaced names?

Quackdave (talk) 19:01, 2 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yes I do agree. I was wondering about this some time ago, but in the end gave up not least because of the number of links. Also, it is fairly inconsistent, even the Alexander Dennis home page of their website cannot decide. I do think that, as you say, the names don't have spaces, but, (as always) there is one exception, (the one that got me thinking about it) in that the E200Dart is spelt "Enviro200 Dart". Buses magazine confirms this (They do write the names without spaces).

I am prepared to help with the links, although there must be hundreds!! I'm not knowledgeable in these things, but can't bots do it or something?? Arriva436^talk

Following what I've said, I decided to have a trial run and moved Alexander Dennis Enviro300. This is obviously a less important page than some of the other products and so has less links to do, so I can always change it back. Unfortunately, I have had to leave examples of links for the other models as the stand, as the new name don't exist for them. Arriva436^talk 09:47, 3 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Now complete. Arriva436^talk 10:01, 3 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Excellent, thanks for your help. I've also gone ahead and moved Alexander Dennis Enviro200 and Alexander Dennis Enviro200 Dart, and removed all of the spaces from the text in each case. I'll go on to the 400 and 500 next - redirects already exist, so I have pre-emptively changed a few links to these already.

You are probably right that a bot exists that can change links. My understanding is that it's only double-redirects that are urgent or problematic (I'll double-check that I haven't caused any). Ordinary ones can be done at leisure, so yes, it's worth finding out if there's a way to save the manual trawling.

Quackdave (talk) 17:49, 3 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It may be worth trying WP:AWB which is a semi-automated editing tool which may speed up the process. Unfortunately it's for Windows 2000, XP or Vista, whereas I use Mac OS X, so I can't try it out :( - Quackdave (talk) 19:03, 3 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Right, I have gone through and corrected Enviro500 and fixed all the links to it, and fixed all the links to Enviro200. This leaves the big ones (E200 Dart and E400) left. While you say that double-redirects are the only urgent problem (bots do these nowadays anyway), I do think that getting the other links changed quickly is fairly important if we want to get people using the names without the spaces.

I had a look at AWB, but it seems that you have to request to be able to do that. I'm sure sure I wish to do so at the moment, I quite like being a "normal" editor, it keeps me free to do things I enjoy rather than more admin-like stuff which I see AWB being used for. You also have to download something I think? Arriva436^talk 20:41, 3 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

← Right, I think it's fair to say we've both done Enviro200 Dart then! My watchlist is full of my edits between yours one behind the other! It's not too bad doing it manually, there's not as many links as I thought!! I'd better go now, I haven't recovered from my sprint round Horsham to get a photo yet... Enviro400 tomorrow! Arriva436^talk 22:03, 3 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I have now finished the links for The Enviro400, and done a quick check of the others. It appears that all of the links have now been corrected. While the links are done, I assume there will still be mentions of the name (unlinked ones) with spaces in. When I was correcting the links, I got onto the edit view, "found" (Ctrl+F) a mention of the name and then corrected it. So (in theory at least), any article I fixed with a link to one of the products would have had unlinked mentions of the name corrected also. Arriva436^talk 11:29, 4 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Excellent, your assistance much appreciated! (I think I was a matter of seconds behind you with some of those Enviro200 Darts, I loaded the page, the space was there, clicked edit, and it wasn't!)

I have tried searching for the spaced names in text and only found a few examples, which I have changed. Of course there are still some image names with a space in, which have to be left as is, otherwise they would break. In fact, I only just noticed some of them in time to stop myself changing them! Quackdave (talk) 17:55, 4 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, a joint effort was definitely the best way to do it! I tried to do the Enviro200 Darts I a different order to you, bu doing links to "Alexander Dennis Enviro 200 Dart" while you were doing "Enviro200Dart", but we were bound to meet! We may as well leave image names, it's lots of hassle to rename then (asking users etc.) for little gain. After all, on the actual article you never see it anyway. All done now, except Plaxton Pointer of course, but that doesn't really mater either way! Arriva436^talk 19:12, 4 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Okay, this is a subsidiary. So who is the parent.49.178.84.167 (talk) 07:50, 16 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

See infobox. Murgatroyd49 (talk) 08:35, 16 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]