Talk:Albany Bulb
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sources not peer reviewed[edit]
Sources are mostly referenced at the end. Are the parts of the article without citations, just based on other wikipedia pages? I am concerned about the news sources and the self-referential sources. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mborozan (talk • contribs) 07:52, 18 December 2021 (UTC)
palms "native" to sfbay?[edit]
"Vegetation on The Bulb is typical of wetland ecosystems, but notably includes palm trees and blackberry bushes native to the East Bay Area."
I'm pretty sure the northernmost calif native palm is washingtonia filifera, of oases in socal desert. Washingtonia_filifera "It is the only palm native to the contiguous United States west of the Balcones Fault Zone in Texas[1] (except for isolated stands of Sabal minor in the Texas Hill Country [ Clover, E. U., 1937. Vegetational survey of the lower Rio Grande valley, Texas. Madrono 4:41-72 ]."
so I just added the word "naturalized" preceding "palm". some ambiguity still exists in the phrase. also it's possible the palms are onetime seed sprouts, and are not generationally self-seeding/reproducing on site. I couldn't find a guesstimate of palm species associated with albany bulb, phoenix canariensis or washingtonia (filifera or robusta), by googling.
blackberry: i don't know what species of blackberry is at Albany bulb, so don't know whether is california or eastbay native, or a naturalized "exotic" rubus species.2z2z (talk) 17:59, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
"Homeless"???[edit]
Today I made some "minor" edits to this page. For a long time I have been bothered by references to the residents of the Bulb as "Homeless." It seems preposterous to call residents who have often been in place a decade as "homeless." That term has an unfortunate bias, and since the current conflicts over the Bulb are locally very much under political discussion, I've tried to revise the page with a less-biased term. Of course, one man's unbiased is another mans polemic.
I've replaced the terms= "homeless" with "squatter" or "resident squatter." That seems less biased. There is indeed a current political question how those residents should be treated, but they are no more "homeless" than the members of the Albany city council. Many have more sweat equity (if not financial equity) in their homes. I want to eliminate this biased "homeless" term without necessarily biasing towards any particular solution to the squatter problem. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wolfamade (talk • contribs) 02:41, 18 November 2013 (UTC)
"google's search site" as a Reference?[edit]
We've referenced the following URL as a citation for Mad Mark's Castle: http://www.google.com/search?q=Mad+Mark%27s+Castle
Was there a specific site that was referred to in that Google search? I think many people wouldn't consider a Google search page a legitimate citation, seeing as all information on Google comes from various sources (and not Google itself). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.210.232.4 (talk) 18:07, 16 January 2014 (UTC)
In short response to your suggestion:
"I think many people wouldn't consider a Google search page a legitimate citation,
seeing as all information on Google comes from various sources (and not Google itself)."
... I had composed a lengthy tirade about google search and maps labels, but after more study of this topic, I'm just going to adjust the citation to be more informative in this submit iteration, and more detailed info in a subsequent submit ---> one chunk at a time (I'm still a relative newbie).
I'll use these two URLs to try to satisfy encyclopedia standards.
http://baynature.org/articles/claiming-the-rubble/
Google does "sanction" or "validate" or "document" MAPS place label names (to some degree)
so your suggestion above might consider some truth in this partial restatement:
"some information on Google comes from Google itself -- as in place label verification".
I don't think the Google Maps place label vetting process would accept someone designating (via "Add a place") Berkeley's Peoples' Park as: "Wikipedia HeadQuarters". So if Google MAPS has accepted -- vetted -- that the spot returned by doing:
http://www.google.com/search?q=Mad+Mark%27s+Castle
is "Mad Mark's Castle", it implies two things to the reader: Google MAPS staff have vetted the spot's position ... and a name. Right? (Maybe not -- I didn't actually find Google's place name validation process.)
But the URL citation:
is even more exactly the part of the Google search I was trying to capture in my citation, so (if you'll accept it) then it answers "Was there a specific site that was referred to in that Google search?" (Yes, the google MAPS place label database.)
Actually, after further study, there's enough evidence to justify more details on this topic, which I will add soon. In particular, a place can have MORE than one name (and a historical context). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jrodor (talk • contribs) 23:56, 21 January 2014 (UTC)
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Wiki Education assignment: California Natural History[edit]
This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 23 August 2023 and 1 December 2023. Further details are available on the course page. Student editor(s): Vivikuang8052, Mglee9 (article contribs).
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