Talk:Ahupuaʻa

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Opening heading[edit]

Okay, I think it's at least got enough to be above a stub. It could certainly use some more expansion though, by someone with more archaeological knowledge than me. KarlM 07:21, 10 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Ahupuaʻa[edit]

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Page moved to Ahupuaa. There was consensus that the old name was not correct. Consensus as to where to move this was mixed. This name seemed to have a bit more support then what was proposed but either would probably be OK. Vegaswikian (talk) 23:07, 5 November 2011 (UTC) Ahupua'a → Ahupuaʻa – Relisted. Vegaswikian (talk) 00:04, 31 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

No point in using apostrophe. Okinas are okay to use now like in ʻIolani Palace when not using the version without any glottal stop.--KAVEBEAR (talk) 17:04, 23 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. Nontypeable characters makes an article title harder to search for and harder to link to. The overwhelming majority of readers will assume it is apostrope anyway, so what's the point? We can certainly use the okina inside the article. Kauffner (talk) 16:03, 26 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - The point is, like many of wp policies, that you do it correctly. See WP:HIMOS#Article_titles... Many people in Hawaii would rather you'd got without the mark rather replacing it with an apostrophe. Redirects can always help someone searching find the correct article, with a apostrophe or without.--Travis Thurston+ 00:47, 27 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Support - Should either be Ahupuaʻa or Ahupuaa - from a Hawaiian perspective the use of a apostrophe is not acceptable and shows a level of carelessness. Perhaps get people at the HI WikiProject involved. Despite the concerns for searching and urls, ʻEwa and ʻIolani Palace still have ʻokina's in the path.-Travis Thurston+ 18:51, 26 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - Exactly what I'm trying to say. Do it the right way or don't do it at all. --KAVEBEAR (talk) 00:00, 27 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - There are only two options here... use the ʻokina or use nothing at all. Ahupuaa is much acceptable than using an apostrophe in place of the appropriate diacritical mark. KAVEBEAR also brought up other articles that need changes. Kama'aina, Ho'okipa, Ali'i, Ha'ula Beach, Lilikala Kame'eleihiwa, Maui No Ka 'Oi Magazine, Pa'ao and Ho'olaule'a. Perhaps this is something where we need to include the entire Hawaii WikiProject Community and perhaps propose a mass move there?

Based on WP:HIMOS#Article_titles, we shouldn't even be voting, this should just happen.-Travis Thurston+ 00:47, 27 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. - Support move to Ahupuaa per WP:HIMOS#Article_titles. AFAIK you can't use the okina template in a link anyway, so to make it look right in the article you have to always use a piped link, either to the redirect with no diacritic, or with a "%xx" tag. There is always the possibility that the appearance of {{okina}} might change in the future as well (for example, if Wikipedia changes fonts), which might make the character in the title different. KarlM (talk) 09:21, 29 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Pig clarification[edit]

The sentence "The boundary markers for ahupuaʻa were traditionally heaps of stones used to put offers to the island chief, which was often a pig." has an unfortunate ambiguity in the last phrase, which seems to be saying that the chief was often a pig. I would just correct it but I'm not positive of the exact intended meaning of "stones used to put offers". The stones were a platform on which offerings were placed? Perhaps "The boundary markers for ahupuaʻa were traditionally heaps of stones on which offerings, often pigs, were made to the island chief." 24.6.250.73 (talk) 19:40, 11 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 20 April 2020[edit]

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The result of the move request was: Page moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) Jerm (talk) 01:09, 28 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Ahupuaa → Ahupuaʻa – The specific reasons which opposed to rename the article in 2011 (see section Ahupuaʻa) are outdated now. Non-typeable characters are part of the widely accepted unicode standard and therefore don't create search problems anymore. Thus the usage of the template also is no longer necessary. Moreover piped links are no more required for the right appearance of the ʻOkina in the article and browsers show the ʻOkina in the address line as well as at mouseover in the status bar or as tooltip correctly. --ThT (talk) 21:06, 20 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Support per Hawaii MOS.KAVEBEAR (talk) 21:10, 20 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Support - ahupuaʻa is the proper Hawaiian name; ahupuaa is a poor English approximation. Making redirects from Ahupuaa and Ahupua'a can be easily done. The technical limitations that seem to have prevented this in the past are much less of a problem now. CJK09 (talk) 21:31, 20 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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