Talk:Administrative divisions of Azerbaijan

Names

Err...uh...shouldn't we indicate which of these are within Nagorno-Karabakh? john k 04:03, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I thought about that, but I didn't want to clutter up the map with extra borders for it. I may in the next version. As for listing them, at the time it seemed like an imprecise science. I assure you, it wasn't a POV deal, I have no dog in that fight. =p Really, if I add borders into the map, then it should be somewhat easy to figure out - but I'll want another source just in case my lines are a little wrong... Do you know of one? --Golbez 04:28, Jun 7, 2005 (UTC)

Perhaps, unlike Golbez, I may have "a dog in that fight" (not least because I have suffered a lot at hands of vandal Rovoam, but nevertheless, I think, this question brought by John needs a bit elaboration, since it may lead to false and misleading conclusions.

First, you should bear in mind that Nagorno-Karabakh was a separate administrative unit - an autonomous region - in Azerbaijan untill 1991. In 1991 after unilateral self-proclamation of independence by the Karabakh Armenians, the Azerbaijan government formally rescinded the autonomous status of the region and changed the administrative division of the region. Therefore, legally speaking, there is no separate administrative unit named Nagorno-Karabakh in Azerbaijan any more.

Second, I want to commend Golbez for this this map. It correctly reflects the official administrative division of Azerbaijan. I do not think any changes should be made to this particular map, namely because it is a map of *administrative division* per ce and not of occupied territories in which we would show Nagorno-Karabakh and the current frontline between Armenian and Azeri armed forces. Anyone interested in these conflictual issues could visit Nagorno-Karabakh and get information from there, as well as can see the map of Armenian occupied areas of Azerbaijan.

Third, if John would still insist to show the borders of former Nagorno-Karabakh (Autonomous Region), I believe, we can ask Golbez to somehow change slightly the colors of those administrative divisions which are currently under occupation OR change the colors of the area which was formerly known as Nagorno-Karabakh (Autonomous Region).

As a side remark, I am still struggling against this vandal Rovoam, who turned out to be the most obsessive and persistent vandal that has appeared in Wikipedia so far (w/o exagerration). So, unfortunately, I cannot contribute to Wikipedia as much as I would like to, but I will gladly get back to you if you have further comments and questions.--Tabib 06:13, Jun 7, 2005 (UTC)

I'm using this map for the official Romanizations. Almost all agree with the actual Azerbaijani romanization that I cooked up on my own. --Golbez 06:11, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

Isn't the standard on Wikipedia to use the official spellings for a country's subdivisions rather than a romanization? (e.g. Lithuania, Poland, and Turkey) —Typhlosion 01:35, 24 October 2005 (UTC)

Since there's an official romanization (though 'transliteration' is probably better, since Azeri is a Latin-based script), I figured it's better to go with that, for easy typing. --Golbez 23:11, 24 December 2005 (UTC)

There is not any official transliteration and/or romanization of the Azerbaijani city and district names. azembassy.com does not work anymore, and I personally doubt on this page's status of being official. Furthermore, I see some inconsistency in the transliterations, as some are in original Azerbaijani spelling, whereas some are transliterated. Just want to revive the old debate on the spelling of the names. I think, it is more appropriate to name them as they are officially spelled in the native language. Since Azerbaijani is written in roman scripts, I see no point in doing otherwise. It is also possible to include pronunciation into the article, so that everyone can pronounce it correctly. If you do not mind, I am ready to take this responsibility to revert all city and district pages. What do you think? KHE'O (talk) 08:16, 14 September 2017 (UTC)

Go for it, though I might ask for guidance from the Azeri wikiproject. Either way, standards have probably changed in a decade. Either way, I wouldn't touch the cities (especially Baku), since there's established transliteration for those that's in use in other articles, and having a district use the local name is different from having a city do so. --Golbez (talk) 13:36, 14 September 2017 (UTC)

Well, I agree with you in the naming of Baku particularly, since it is an internationally well-known city. I would like to make a change for the rest of the cities though. The base for my view is the approach applied in Istanbul vs İzmir, Eskişehir, Diyarbakır etc. I glanced at the city names in different European countries and the outcome is identical. KHE'O (talk) 07:57, 15 September 2017 (UTC)

My concern was: Ok, we could move Mingachevir to Mingəçevir. Do we also move Mingachevir Polytechnic Institute? Mingachevir reservoir? Mingachevir dam? Mingachevir Hydro Power Plant? Mingachevir Medical School? But now that I write it out ... that argument could be made for anything and it wouldn't really work, because things like that can be translated/transliterated differently, etc. So yeah. Go for it, unless it's an internationally relevant city (in other words, I wouldn't touch Shusha because it's a can of worms, and Nakhchivan has related naming as being the capital of a major region). --Golbez (talk) 13:43, 15 September 2017 (UTC)

I see you point, to be honest, I didn't think about it. But now i think, there is no need to change everything which has city's name in it. In terms of naming with high political sensitivity, you're right, I will be mindful.KHE'O (talk) 10:44, 16 September 2017 (UTC)

If anybody wants to move anything, especially big cities, please open a move request for each of them at a corresponding talk page separately.--Ymblanter (talk) 15:33, 16 September 2017 (UTC)

X District

since WP uses english and the official translation is district, and since furthermore a lot of the articles have stuff named the same, I propose to move all rayon articles to the format "X District". Too much will need dab soon anyway. Tobias Conradi (Talk) 22:38, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

Absolutely oppose. Disambiguation can wait until it's necessary. I'd want import from some of our Azeri contributors first, certainly. --Golbez 22:55, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

Please wait on these moves until someone other than you discusses it, please. Also, please don't disambig solely for external links, either make a redlink or don't disambig. But please, wait. --Golbez 22:57, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

"can wait until it's necessary." what's that? It's necessary now. You are free to create internal links. My point is to add content, everybody can improve. You are free to call me to stop to contribute and to add new data. But I oppose your stop-calling. For the moves, ok, I will wait. Tobias Conradi (Talk) 23:54, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

What's wrong with having, say, "Barda" point to the city or the district, and then having a dab page as well? You seem to concentrate only on having a dab page on the main name, which can be annoying. I note you didn't change any of the link-breaking that moving Barda caused - now there are a lot of links that point to Barda instead of properly pointing to Barda (rayon). Were you planning on fixing that? --Golbez 00:24, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

As far as I know, by the wiki principle, everybody can edit the outdated links. Even you may do so. Tobias Conradi (Talk) 01:13, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

That's not the point. It's considered good form if you clean up your own mess. --Golbez 01:46, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

Is this is personal attack? Relax. It's not my WP, it's not my mess. You may hate me. But so is life. Tobias Conradi (Talk) 03:19, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

... OK, I think that's the final straw. --Golbez 04:57, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

I don't understand 'straw', but I understand 'final'. Are you finally leaving Wikipedia and play the commander somewhere else? Why did you delete the dab pages I made? Is there any policy covering this use of admin rights to push your very personal view? Or did you abuse your rights again? Tobias Conradi (Talk) 03:52, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

district vs rayon

In the page titles district should be used instead of rayon. This is common practice for articles in Category:Subdivisions by country. District is used by the governement. [1] Tobias Conradi (Talk) 15:56, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

full qualifying title

IMO all rayon articles should be moved to a full qualifying title, reasoning see [2] Tobias Conradi (Talk) 16:08, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

Orphaned references in Administrative divisions of Azerbaijan

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Reference named "Hewsen":

• From Nakhchivan: Hewsen, Robert H (2001). Armenia: A Historical Atlas. Chicago: University of Chicago Press. p. 266. ISBN 0-2263-3228-4.
• From Caucasian Albania: Robert H. Hewsen. "Ethno-History and the Armenian Influence upon the Caucasian Albanians," in: Samuelian, Thomas J. (Hg.), Classical Armenian Culture. Influences and Creativity, Chicago: 1982, 27-40.

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Change concerning Shusha

Was there a change concerning Shusha? In earlier versions (also in maps, thus the 55 is not used now) the city of Shusha was a rayon on its own. Was there a change in the administrive divisions and when did it happen? --Don-kun (talk) 22:43, 6 March 2021 (UTC)

I'm confused. What makes you think a change happened? — CuriousGolden (T·C) 22:59, 6 March 2021 (UTC)

@CuriousGolden: We had a discussion [Portal_Diskussion:Aserbaidschan#Şuşa_ist_keine_republikunmittelbare_Stadt_mehr here]. Several older articles or older versions of articles show Shusha as a different antity than the rayon of Shusha (p. 13, [3], [4]). In more recent texts and sources (like in this article), the city is depicted as an integral part of the rayon of the same name. --Don-kun (talk) 10:45, 13 September 2021 (UTC)