Talk:Accursed Mountains

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This article has previously been nominated to be moved.

Discussions:

Moved, 7 January 2009, from North Albanian Alps to Prokletije, see discussion.
Not moved, 7 April 2010, from Prokletije to Albanian alps, see discussion.
Not moved, 18 May 2014, from Prokletije to Albanian Alps, see discussion.
Moved, 10 April 2021, from Prokletije to Accursed Mountains, see discussion.

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Archive 1

Move Name!![edit]

There are many problems with the name. In Albanian "Albanian Alps" or "Bjeshket e Nemuna". Slavic "Prokletije". I would be for "Cursed Mountains. 1. albania and Kosovo have most of the mountains. 2. prokletjie is simply a serbian name. 3. The name prokleije is very rarely used. 4. "Albanian Alps" is very frequently used AlexBachmann (talk) 16:09, 27 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

If Albania and Kosovo have the most of the mountains then why is the name in english? RoyalHeritageAlb (talk) 23:16, 20 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@RoyalHeritageAlb: The name is English because this is English Wikipedia. Vanjagenije (talk) 10:42, 22 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

In English would be called Albanian Alps (Alabanide) 69.166.116.149 (talk) 15:42, 12 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Albanide*

69.166.116.149 (talk) 15:42, 12 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 10 April 2021[edit]

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved to the original suggestion. I could foresee this page shuffling around a bit more over the years, but consensus at this time is for Accursed Mountains (which, let's be real, is the coolest-sounding option) as the English-language name in common use that doesn't step into any ethnic disputes. Or, well, fewer of them, anyway. (closed by non-admin page mover) Vaticidalprophet 15:47, 17 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Prokletije → Accursed Mountains – Article should be renamed to the more internationally accepted version "Accursed Mountains" as evidenced in these articles by Lonely Planet, BBC, Euronews, Financial Times. Prokletije is a serbian version of a mountain range mostly located in Albanian populated regions. Kj1595 (talk) 08:23, 10 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Support Rreagan007 (talk) 02:38, 15 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Support Durraz0 (talk) 02:58, 15 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose "Accursed Mountains" is more likely an epithet (probably referring to harsh conditions) than the actual name, see for instance in the BBC article quoted above "that would take me deep into the Albanian Alps – also called the Accursed Mountains –". Britannica calls them the North Albanian Alps, and so do the UN on this map of Serbia. Markussep ^Talk 06:48, 15 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Support although Markussep makes a good point too, maybe it should be moved to Albanian AlpsAlltan (talk) 10:38, 15 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

So this article used to be titled Albanian Alps but was renamed to Prokletije for whatever reason. Very strange. I would have no issue with it being renamed North Albanian Alps. The name Prokletije has no basis or historical/geographical argument to stand as the current title. Kj1595 (talk) 07:56, 16 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Support for the sake of compromise, since we've had several move request. Let me reuse Google scholar searches from /Archive 1
- Accursed Mountains 209 results
- Prokletije (without Albanian Alps) 1810 results
- "albanian alps" -Prokletije 1030 results
...but guess what? It is covered mostly by the regional authors, and those from Ex-Yu normally favor "Prokletije", and those from Albania "Albanian Alps"", writing in English. Using "Accursed Mountains", translation of both Prokletije and Bjeshkët e Namuna, seems to be gaining currency among foreign travelers and authors, so I suppose it would be good enough for encyclopedia by now. No such user (talk) 15:14, 16 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Support the region is populated mostly by Albanians, hence the name Albanian Alps but a part of it was controlled by Yugoslavia from 1920 to 1999 and (ex-)Yugoslav authors naturally use the name Prokletije which is the Slavic translation of Bjeshkët e Nemuna (literally, Accursed Mountains). Albanian Alps is on the way to overpass all other names, but Accursed Mountains is a rational compromise which reflects the status quo and isn't skewed towards an old narrative. Google scholar results reflect an older narrative right now. Most visitors will never come across the toponym Prokletije in their travels unless they visit the Prokletije park in Montenegro which is located in bilingual municipalities (Montenegrin, Albanian). The precedent of the move from Kiev to Kyiv highlights the need to focus more on reality on the ground--Maleschreiber (talk) 13:10, 17 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Montenegrin language[edit]

Montenegrin language is an indipendent language due to standartisation of the language RoyalHeritageAlb (talk) 17:46, 27 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@RoyalHeritageAlb: Austrian German is also standardized. Should we write "Vienna (Austrian German: Wien)"? No. Vanjagenije (talk) 20:57, 28 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Then change the info at the article of montenegro too from montenegrin to serbo-croatian RoyalHeritageAlb (talk) 11:41, 29 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Subject Name[edit]

These are Albanian Alps (Albanide) that are also known as Acursed Mountains. Their name is Albanian Alps (Albanide), and locals or other ethnicities choose other names for them. In fact for others they are considered to be the opposite; they are considered as Blessed Mountains. Whatever emotional attachments people might have at the end these are called Albanian Alps (Albanide). 69.166.116.149 (talk) 14:49, 12 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi. To change the name of the article you need a consensus. Check a bit above how this has already happened once with a voting procedure. Jingiby (talk) 14:57, 12 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

lol you dont need to baptize with a new name a geographical location espcially a thousdand years old mountain with votes.

If we ask South Asian about Mother Terza they would say is from Calcuta because are the majority in numbers.

Would you consider to change history and names of geographical places by putting it in a votting procedure? Lol is this a joke? 69.166.116.149 (talk) 15:15, 12 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Please consider having the name changed. These are Albanian Alps(Albanide) also knwon an Acursed Mountains. Emotional attachments should not affect the name of geographical locations that have an existance of thousdand of years. This is absurd! 69.166.116.149 (talk) 15:22, 12 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]