Talk:2024–25 UEFA Champions League

Liverpool need adding to the group stage as pot to be determined as they are now guaranteed qualification. I’ve made this change twice now and it’s been reverted twice. Do the maths. They have qualified. The fact we won the League Cup is irrelevant we don’t go into the conference league as league position takes precedent — Preceding unsigned comment added by Helpful24 (talk • contribs) 06:09, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

Liverpool have not qualified as both Aston Villa and Tottenham can still finish above them. It make take an unlikely combination of results including a big swing in goal difference in Tottenham's favour but it is still possible for Liverpool to finish fifth. Stevie fae Scotland (talk) 09:57, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

Dortmund is in Pot 1

Borussia Dortmund is 10th on the UEFA coefficient, and Chelsea is 9th and they are unable to qualify, also the title holders (RMA, BAY, PSG or BVB) already are qualified and they are already in pot 1 2803:C600:711D:8509:E5C5:370E:4FC2:CD31 (talk) 02:42, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

Leverkusen could still equal Dortmund's coefficient by winning the Europa League. In that case, Leverkusen would be pot 1 as they had gained more points this season. Stevie fae Scotland (talk) 06:18, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

Dortmund has 94 Points, while Leverkusen has 86. If I am not mistaken Leverkusen can gain up to 7 points (3 wins (6 pts, plus 1 pts for reaching the final, so Leverkusen cannot match Dortmund.

There is another mistake however, it is not yet clear, weather the spot reserved for the champions league champions is handed to the next champion not directly qualified (should be serbia), but may be awarded to the 6th placed team in germany, if Dortmund ends up winning the CH-L but will only be fifth in league. The yearly spot to germany will be awarded AFTER Dortmund takes the spot for CH-L title. 213.168.201.64 (talk) 10:04, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

Title holders berth

@Tedeff and HarveyMilestone: Could we not let this descend into an edit war and discuss here please? From reading this article, I believe the title holder berth is still open for Dortmund to take should they finish fifth in the Bundesliga. That article does not definitively outline what would happen in the scenario that the title holders finish in a league position which would otherwise have qualified via the European Performance Slots though. Does anyone know of a source with a definitive answer? Stevie fae Scotland (talk) 10:59, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

I’m basing my understanding on the notes regarding this scenario attached to the champions league spots on both 2023–24 Bundesliga#League table and 2023–24 Serie A#League table. (Admittedly those are unsourced and I don’t know who added that info) Tedeff (talk) 11:07, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

It may be worth asking @S.A. Julio who reverted your original revision about this, @Stevie fae Scotland Tedeff (talk) 11:10, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

Yes, you're right. I was about to stop the 'war' until we knew more.. HarveyMilestone (talk) 11:34, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

This is from an ESPN article: If Dortmund win the Champions League and finish fifth, then the Bundesliga will have six teams in the Champions League -- the top four, Dortmund as Champions League titleholders, plus the European Performance Spot. The Bundesliga would forfeit one of its place in the Europa League, which would have been taken up by Dortmund. HarveyMilestone (talk) 11:38, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

UEFA-Link: https://www.uefa.com/uefachampionsleague/news/0268-12157d69ce2d-9f011c70f6fa-1000--new-format-for-champions-league-post-2024-everything-you-ne/

"These places will go to the associations with the best collective performance by their clubs in the previous season (i.e. the association club coefficient of the previous season, which is based on the total number of club coefficient points obtained by each club from an association divided by the number of participating clubs from that association). Those two associations will each earn one automatic place in the league phase ('European Performance Spot') for the club ranked next-best in their domestic league behind those clubs that have already qualified directly for the league phase."

for me at least "already qualified directly for the league phase." means, that these 2 places are given after all other places. in this scenario Bundesliga 1-4 (directly) + Dortmund as title holder. Next one gets the european performance spot 213.168.201.64 (talk) 13:20, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

Yes these last two comments match my understanding too. Sounds like we agree then?

(I.e. The title holders berth is still reserved for the title holder, and cannot (yet) be passed down to another team without direct access to the league stage)

If Dortmund ends up in at least 4th place in the league, OR is knocked out of the CL, that’s when the title holder spot is passed down Tedeff (talk) 16:37, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

This is confirmed by sources such as ESPN and kicker. S.A. Julio (talk) 20:27, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

Let's not forget, if Atalanta wins the Europa League title and finishes as low as 9th in Serie A (currently 6th with 2 fewer games than the other teams) , it could result in Serie A being represented by 6 teams in the next UEFA Champions League season too. Nericraz (talk) 21:02, 5 May 2024 (UTC)