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What?[edit]

This page shouldn't be made this early! — Preceding unsigned comment added by SNTMcentral (talk • contribs) 21:58, 19 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I found the AfD for last year's, in particular this quote:

Side note for comparison - I went back and looked to see when the previous years' articles were created. The concept was introduced in the 2007. 2008–09 United States network television schedule was created in February 2008. 2009-10 was created in February 2009. 2010-11 was created in December 2009. 2011-12 was created in November 2010. 2012-13 was delayed until May because it was SALTed back in December 2011. But I looked at the December 2011 article that was deleted and it had absolutely nothing there ... just a few shows that had been known to be renewed or cancelled for a long time. This article, on the other hand, has citations and several cited new shows.

Since the networks have picked up more programs straight-to-series than usual, it is appropriate to have made this page a month or two earlier than previous years.—Ɔ Ȿ♭ இ ☎ ℡ ☎ 22:59, 19 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 28 September 2014[edit]

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Season 7 of The Mentalist is the final season Put The Mentalist under Series ending/cancellation under CBS

Not done: as you have not cited reliable sources to back up your request, without which no information should be added to, or changed in, any article. - Arjayay (talk) 12:16, 28 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Gracepoint Cancellation[edit]

~~The show has been officially announced as ended yet one person keeps undoing the change. Anyone else with an opinion.~~ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 107.15.72.68 (talk) 01:31, 16 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The editor above is a sock/meatpuppet of a recently blocked small sock farm pushing an edit sourced to rumors and speculation by TV by the Numbers. Fox has not made an announcement regarding the show, and the sites cited are reporting speculation and rumor. This will keep a couple days until Fox makes a decision. --Drmargi (talk) 01:40, 16 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks so much for putting this on the talk page, where the discussion belongs.

There have been many articles on the websites most commonly sourced in this article (Deadline, TV by the Numbers), that had pointed that for a "limited series", a series that was planned on having less episodes than a normal season of approximately 22 episodes, the network often does not announce it's canceled when the make the decision.^[1] Most series there is an initial order of 13 or fewer episodes, the rest of the season is ordered when the network thinks the show is doing well enough, an absence of this extension means that the series will be canceled. But for "limited series", this isn't going to happen, so the network can decide much later if they're going to bring it back, or make the decision not to and not publish this information. But we need it published.

The latest article, http://tvline.com/2014/12/15/gracepoint-season-2-cancelled-renewed-fox/, says: "Fox’s just-wrapped mystery drama will not live on beyond its low-rated first season, TVLine has learned.", and then continues "A Fox rep declined to comment." That doesn't look like official confirmation.

But then I saw the article last week^[2], which was updated with a Youtube video, a recording of the advertisement for the last episode; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sBbd6_f0vGI which has the words on the screen: SERIES FINALE

To me, this is an official FOX announcement that, as a series finale, it has been officially canceled. But I don't know how to cite that. OrhanCharles (talk) 13:22, 16 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Gorman, Bill (14 October 2014). "FOX Predictions: 'Gracepoint' Is Certain To Be Canceled; Wait, Isn't It A "Limited Series"?". TV by the Numbers. Retrieved 16 December 2014.
^ Gorman, Bill (9 December 2014). "FOX Predictions: 'Gotham' Is Certain To Be Renewed". TV by the Numbers. Retrieved 16 December 2014.

I been seeing news feeds that show is cancelled. Let's just add some reliable source and let it be. BattleshipMan (talk) 21:58, 16 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

There are no reliable sources, just a lot of speculation. That's the whole point. Is it going to end? Probably given the dismal ratings and poor critical notices. But those sources say in unequivocal terms that Fox is declining to comment on the show's future. That's pretty definitive: we don't know yet. What's what's the bloody rush anyway? We'll note it when we know something for sure and can source it reliably. --Drmargi (talk) 22:53, 16 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

But everyone is saying that they're won't be a second season. So I think it's time to post it on there. BattleshipMan (talk) 08:46, 19 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

@Drmargi:, even the FOX trailer announced it was the series finale of it. That to many us see that the show it's officially canceled. What you saying doesn't necessary justify that removal of content and it has gone too far. BattleshipMan (talk) 05:17, 20 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

You can interpret that statement all you want, but Fox has pointedly not commented on a second series, and the producers have discussed what might be in a potential second series in interviews. The show was a limited series; series finale makes sense on that basis alone. It's not equivalent to Fox saying "the show is cancelled." I've said it before and I'll say it again -- what's the rush? Why not just wait until Fox says something definitive? I doubt it will be long. --Drmargi (talk) 05:58, 20 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The IP who started this thread has been blocked for block evasion. Normally, edits by blocked sockpuppets should be reverted but as that would only remove context, I have only struck out the comments. --AussieLegend (✉) 17:11, 19 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Another block evading sockpuppet has now targeted this page.[1][2] --AussieLegend (✉) 04:08, 20 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

"Encore Programming"[edit]

The page constantly refers to Encore Programming. Nowhere in the article does it say what this means. Remember that you are writing an encyclopaedia and not an American TV guide! You need to explain strange Americanisms. I assume that encore programming is either a fancy word for repeats or an alternative name for current affairs?--46.226.187.124 (talk) 15:21, 25 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 10 April 2015[edit]

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66.87.64.78 (talk) 23:22, 10 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. Stickee (talk) 01:44, 11 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Stickee: Don't bother, don't bother. It's the thing about that stupid Marlton School edit again, like a lot of other IP users doing that. That IP user's one contribution before matched what I said. We may need to do something about that stupid Marlton School being linked in every television broadcast and schedule articles immediately. BattleshipMan (talk) 02:43, 11 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@BattleshipMan: Is the vandalism them inserting links to Marlton School? If so, Special:WhatLinksHere/Marlton School is an easy way to identify any such instances. Stickee (talk) 03:11, 11 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Stickee:Check out this article's revision history within late February to today on some the IP users who have removing legitimate content and replaced them by adding links to Marlton School, as they did with several other television broadcast and schedule articles. BattleshipMan (talk) 03:53, 11 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 16 April 2015[edit]

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Is it possible to include a definition of what "Follow-up" means? At first glance I thought I meant that the Fall scheduled series was cancelled quickly and replaced by another, but there are shows like Madame Secretary where this doesn't appear to be the case. Most puzzling is where Good Wife is listed for Fall, then The Mentalist is shown as "Follow-up" and then Good Wife was listed for Winter. Was Good Wife pulled from the schedule for a time? Some of this information may be obvious as it is recent, but remember of course this article needs to be clear to someone reading it 5-10 years from now. If a definition exists in a previous schedule listing, maybe it's just a case of adding it to the boilerplate material. 68.146.52.234 (talk) 14:43, 16 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. — {{U|Technical 13}} ^{(e • t • c)} 17:55, 16 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

They just seem to want an explanation of what 'follow-up' is, which confuses me too if I wasn't familiar with these article. I'd like to use the more clarifying terms 'late', 'mid' and 'early' for each portion of a weather season but the few people who seem to dominate these articles refuse to consider even discussing this. It is extremely confusing, and neither laymen or the television industry uses the term 'follow-up' at all; we should go with 'spade is a spade' naming, not inaccessible wording. Nate • (chatter) 03:03, 26 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 18 April 2015[edit]

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On this page it still says Empire is being renewed. However, on its own Wiki page, it says it has been cancelled. The link which is referred to is the following : http://www.360nobs.com/2015/04/fox-pulls-the-plug-on-the-second-season-of-record-breaking-tv-show-empire/. Please remove Empire from the renewed series and transfer it to the cancelled/series ending department, and include the link for the source and that it has been cancelled on 17th of Januari 2015.Please remove Empire from the renewed series and transfer it to the cancelled/series ending department, and include the link for the source and that it has been cancelled on 17th of Januari 2015. Cjkuijt811 (talk) 23:29, 18 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

This is an iffy source at best. If it's true, Hollywood Reporter or Variety will pick it up, and a change can be made then. --Drmargi (talk) 00:49, 19 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I just look through Hollywood Reporter and Variety, there is no official report on Empire being cancelled. BattleshipMan (talk) 00:53, 19 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Marlton School[edit]

Many of us are getting sick and tired of various IP users keep on adding Marlton School in this article and any other television related articles. We need to discuss what appropriate course of action to solve this problem. BattleshipMan (talk) 03:57, 22 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Changing references[edit]

Once again, despite being warned to stop, AdamDeanHall (talk · contribs) has changed a reference from one perfectly reliable source to his favored cite, with no rationale and for no discernible reason. The subsequent change resulted in an edit war between two other editors when one, also sick of Adam's arbitrary and pointless changes, reverted to the original source. This has to stop. Adam has no good reason to make these changes, never discusses or explains them, and there's certainly no reason to edit war over them. If this starts again, it goes to ANI or an admin who will take some action. --Drmargi (talk) 16:23, 6 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Look. regardless of his history, there are at times we have to change a reference to a more reliable one since Futon has a history of incorrect sources, like IMDb is user-edited. BattleshipMan (talk) 16:31, 6 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

What are you talking about? They're both press releases from The CW, they're equally reliable. The Futon Critic has been running for almost 20 years and is the most frequently used website to cite upcoming episodes on Wikipedia. So, to say, the other is more reliable is invalid. My intention was to literally undo ADH "replaced one referenced with another" edit (because he needs to stop doing that) to revert back to the original reference, but I couldn't, so I had to manually do it. How is ADH's behavior acceptable by randomly changing refs for no reason, yet changing back to the original ref he actually used is not okay? I'm confused. You had no reason to revert my edits. Drovethrughosts (talk) 16:38, 6 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@BattleshipMan: If that's the case, take it to the RS noticeboard, establish consensus, and provide an edit summary that this particular source this particular time isn't accurate. Futon Critic is not user-edited, and in this case, there was no difference in the content of what the two sources published. You and ADH seem to have established a private rule for use of FC, and that's not acceptable. Regardless, when the issue arose, your first move should have been to this talk page, not an edit war. --Drmargi (talk) 16:44, 6 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Drmargi: @Drovethrughosts: Look, while FC is at times reliable, but it's not 100% reliable all the time. The episode guides at times can be inconsistent with title names and constantly changing them to a correct one. Zap2it can also be reliable at times, but not 100%. It also somewhat a source for episode ratings, which are pretty accurate and can make a correct prediction on the chances of the shows that could be renewed or cancelled. While I don't agree with ADH's at times disruptive behavior, I have my own reasons for finding more reliable references. While both FC and Zap2it are at times both reliable and inconsistent, there are at times you have to correct information on which part of the sites and that's why I have been reverting those edits because Zap2it is more reliable for cancelled shows and FC is reliable on which date it airs future episodes. BattleshipMan (talk) 16:48, 6 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Then take up the issue at the appropriate noticeboard, or deal with it case-by-case with an explanatory edit summary and corresponding talk page discussion. In this case the two sources had the same content word-for-word, so your edits and Adam's were disruptive and pointless. --Drmargi (talk) 16:54, 6 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Drmargi: I already set up the RS noticeboard to discuss this issue. BattleshipMan (talk) 17:01, 6 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The Futon Critic is basically the same as TV by the Numbers, they rarely post independent articles that they write themselves, it's all mostly press releases that they receive from the networks or from other sources. If something is incorrect, it's because it's a mistake made by the network itself. You can't just question an entire website reliability based on no facts being presented. I'm not entirely sure what your trying to accomplish here; it seems you're making a giant problem for no reason. Both websites are perfectly acceptable sources, ADH just needs to stop this "replace one reference with another" BS unless he's legitimately replacing a faulty reference (fan site, random TV blog, etc.), not when both sites have literally the exact same content (a press release from the network). Drovethrughosts (talk) 17:46, 6 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 11 May 2015[edit]

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Bordertown should be removed from the Fox 'new series' section. Source: http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2015/05/11/fox-2015-16-schedule-announced-american-idol-to-end-after-15th-season-rosewood-gets-pre-empire-slot-wednesdays/401954/ Heroes: Reborn should be removed from the NBC 'new series' section. Source: http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2015/05/10/nbc-2015-2016-schedule-blindspot-moves-to-post-voice-spot-live-undateable-goes-to-friday-heroes-reborn-gets-pre-blacklist-thursday-spot/401619/ Both of these entries should be moved to the same sections for 2015-16 season 90.205.63.110 (talk) 13:39, 11 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

This appears to have been

Already done at some point between when this request was submitted and now. BryanG (talk) 00:15, 23 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

CSI[edit]

CSI has not yet been cancelled. The Vulture source is still just speculation. Darrenhusted (talk) 12:59, 12 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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top weekly ratings[edit]

When will someone add a top weekly ratings tab to this page like on some of the previous season pages. Devin Levin (talk) 22:11, 8 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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[1] Gorman, Bill (14 October 2014). "FOX Predictions: 'Gracepoint' Is Certain To Be Canceled; Wait, Isn't It A "Limited Series"?". TV by the Numbers. Retrieved 16 December 2014.

[2] Gorman, Bill (9 December 2014). "FOX Predictions: 'Gotham' Is Certain To Be Renewed". TV by the Numbers. Retrieved 16 December 2014.

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