Talk:2008 Six Nations Championship

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Media coverage[edit]

Is there any reason why we need to know who will be broadcasting the tournament?
I mean, I am sure it is showing in France, Italy, Scotland, South Africa and a few other countries around the globe.
So what is the point of the list? FFMG (talk) 11:05, 30 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. Scrap it. Dan K (talk) 11:34, 30 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Agreed. Doesn't add much value (except as a type of "advertising") Guliolopez (talk) 14:49, 30 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

name[edit]

its actually called the RBS 6 Nations 2008. Not 2008 Six Nations Championship. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.155.203.20 (talk) 11:04, 2 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Dates[edit]

do we have to have the dates the matches take/took place on in American style - since this is a 2/3 British Isles sporting event, dates ought to be presented as the 2nd of February 2008, not 2008-02-02—Preceding unsigned comment added by GowsiPowsi (talk • contribs) 15:58, 2 February 2008

Date format is dependent on the settings in your personal preferences. Tivedshambo (talk) 16:13, 2 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

-Oh yes........how embarrassing......(GowsiPowsi (talk) 18:01, 2 February 2008 (UTC))[reply]

im not happy about this design - i think we should have bars above each week. (GowsiPowsi (talk) 15:08, 3 February 2008 (UTC))[reply]

What for? – PeeJay 15:14, 3 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

to make the weeks distinct - it just doesnt seem right imo (GowsiPowsi (talk) 15:17, 3 February 2008 (UTC))[reply]

You're the first person to complain about that, tbh. There's never been a problem like that in previous years. – PeeJay 15:19, 3 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

fair dos (GowsiPowsi (talk) 15:38, 3 February 2008 (UTC))[reply]

Not so great for the millions of people who use WP without logging in/registering or setting date preferences though, is it? Hideous ISO dates <shudder> Carre (talk) 11:57, 6 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
People aren't stupid. They should be able to work it out. Anyway, this is the only way to keep everyone who has set their preferences happy. – PeeJay 12:00, 6 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The latter part of that is incorrect. All of these differently formatted dates : 6 February 2008, February 6, 2008 and 2008-02-06 show the same if you have preferences set. Meh, no big deal. Carre (talk) 12:21, 6 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Wales[edit]

Why is it significant Wales are only playing on saturdays? (GowsiPowsi (talk) 15:42, 3 February 2008 (UTC))[reply]

It seemed significant at the time the news came out. I was actually considering removing it myself. – PeeJay 15:53, 3 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I think you should (GowsiPowsi (talk) 15:58, 3 February 2008 (UTC))[reply]

- well now it looks grand, PJay (GowsiPowsi (talk) 16:05, 3 February 2008 (UTC))[reply]

Italy - England[edit]

I think Wilko missed a kick? I don't think he did 3/3? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pbergamo (talk • contribs) 17:17, 10 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

He definitely missed one, but he did kick 3 (2 converted tries = 14 points plus 3 penalties, 23 points total). Carre (talk) 19:09, 10 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Attendance in Stadio Flaminio[edit]

Week 2 summary reports an attendance of 48,000 at Stadio Flaminio. How is that possible in a stadium that seats less than 25,000 spectators ? (see Stadio Flaminio) 82.229.209.33 (talk) 19:58, 11 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

That is interesting. This report at the BBC claims an attendance of "48,000". However, this seems decidedly suspect as (1) it's a little too "round" to be realistic (48,000 EXACTLY? Not 48,001 or 47,999? I think not) and (2) it is - as you note - almost twice the stadium's supposed capacity (even according to the BBC themselves). If no secondary source can corroborate, I'm gonna take it out for now. Guliolopez (talk) 20:38, 11 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
OK, I did a bit of digging around the usual websites (BBC, Sky Sports, etc.) and they all said the attendance was 48,000. However, this was obviously not correct for the above reasons. Therefore, I checked the official website of the Italian Rugby Union (Federazione Italiana Rugby) to see if they could shed any light on the situation. As it happened, they could, and I found that the attendance was 30,625 precisely. See http://www.federugby.it/news.asp?i=54512&s=2 for confirmation. – PeeJay 20:44, 11 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
That's good sleuthing Skoob. Seems decidedly more realistic. (The difference between 30,600 and the "official capacity" could easily be accommodated with optimal arrangement of seats/terracing. Or with minor stadium improvements since last season. The same can't be said for the 20,000 discrepancy. (No amount of shouting "push up in the row" is going to squeeze in an extra 20,000)). Guliolopez (talk) 20:51, 11 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Fixtures[edit]

Would there be a place for the half-time scores in the fixtures table? It could be interesting to note the differences in first and second half performances. E.g. Wales - Italy first half score as 13-8 (Wal-Ita) and the game finished at 47-8 (Wal-Ita). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.251.124.206 (talk) 13:18, 25 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Generally, half-time scores are not included in the match summaries. – PeeJay 14:22, 25 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
But that's hardly an answer, is it. I think the half-time scores are useful, particularly so when a match changes completely in the 2nd half -- England v Wales this month and France v NZ at Twickenham in 1999 are two classic examples -- but on the one occasion I included the HT score in an article it was reverted with an abrupt "not needed", which is about as POV as one can get!
Instead of "generally, half-time scores are not included", how about some reasons why not? The RBS 6 Nations official site certainly includes them, as do the SAS Data post-match summaries and the French site, L'Equipe. A lot of the newspaper reports don't, though Planet Rugby usually mentions the HT score (even if it is often buried beneath half-a-dozen paras of inaccurate bilge!). So it's not as if the information isn't available.
Jimmy Pitt (talk) 15:12, 25 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
If we have the data, then why not add it. As you pointed out, sometimes the HT score can tell a lot about the game itself.
I, for one, wouldn't mind the HT score been added. FFMG (talk) 15:27, 25 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

England won two games not one... why has that not been shown... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.45.193.46 (talk) 11:56, 16 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Try count[edit]

The list of try scorers seems to include all those on one just now. I know Scotland don't score many tries but Simon Webster did stick one down against Ireland, could someone add it? I tried but I can't edit the table without screwing up Mike Philipps's entry.

J.R. 00:06, 10 March 2008

Stade de France[edit]

The Stade de France is located in the city of Paris. Just like Twickenham is in the city of London, Millennium Stadium in the city of Cardiff etc etc. There is no reason to keep changing Paris to Saint-Denis. For consistency, the stadia should be listed by city. If you want to change it to Saint-Denis, then Twickenham should be down as Twickenham or Richmond upon Thames, Murrayfield in Murrayfield, and so on. You don't have to have your own way all the time. Nouse4aname (talk) 11:20, 17 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I agree, either we leave it as it is or we change all the stadia. Why would the Stade de France be any different. I also edited 2007 Six Nations Championship accordingly until a consensus is reached. FFMG (talk) 11:30, 17 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The Stade de France is not in Paris itself. It is in Saint-Denis, as is recognised by the official RBS 6 Nations website (http://www.rbs6nations.com/en/1467.php), the official 2007 Rugby World Cup website (http://www.rugbyworldcup.com/destinationFrance/venues/venue=2022/index.html), FIFA (http://www.fifa.com/worldcup/archive/edition=1013/results/matches/match=4000/report.html) and many other sources. Even Saint-Denis' website (http://www.ville-saint-denis.fr/jsp/site/Portal.jsp) recognises itself as a city (la ville de Saint Denis). – PeeJay 11:37, 17 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
But Saint-Denis is recognised as a suburb of Paris. Paris is the city. La ville de Saint Denis can translate as town or city, and so proves nothing especially as it comes from the website of the area itself. Murrayfield is in the Murrayfield area of Edinburgh, just as Stade de France is as in the Saint-Denis area of Paris. For the sake of simplicity the stadia should be listed by the major city they are associated with.Nouse4aname (talk) 11:43, 17 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Why do you choose to ignore all of the other evidence I have presented? – PeeJay 11:47, 17 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
It is not a case of ignoring it, it just doesn't support your proposition to list the venue under the city of Saint Denis. I do not argue that Stade de France is in Saint Denis. What I do argue with is the fact that the city that the stadium is in is Paris. Not Saint-Denis.Nouse4aname (talk) 11:50, 17 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The Saint Denis article explains that it is a northern suburbs of Paris. No one argues that the stadium is there, simply that Saint Denis is a suburb of Paris. If we want to change the way we list the stadia we would need to change all of them, not just the French one. FFMG (talk) 12:03, 17 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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