Category talk:Emigrants from the Ottoman Empire to Germany

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discrepancy[edit]

Category:Ottoman emigrants to Germany cannot be a sub-category of Category:Turkish emigrants to Germany. Because Turkey is one of the successor states of the Ottoman Empirethe successor states of the Ottoman Empire[1][2][3][4][5][6][7] according to the Treaty of Lausanne signed on July 24, 1923. Ottoman emigrants were/are sometimes confused with Turks, For example, muslim community in Chile, they immigrated there from present day Syrna. But Chileans had called them Turks. They made a protest. We can find similar case around the world. Takabeg (talk) 21:52, 4 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

For convenience, it's fairly standard in WP to make Ottoman categories subcategories of Turkish categories. Yes, I understand the both the benefits and the problems of doing so, but my intention is merely to bring consistency to the category tree. If you want to change these categories and make them different than the majority of the others, that could be done, but it's not terribly helpful for consistency' sake. Good Ol’factory (talk) 22:00, 4 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

People with various religion, ethnicity and "current country" (Arab world, Balkans etc.) of the Ottoman Empire had immigrated. As we know, Mother Teresa became Indian citizen, she had been a citizen of the Ottoman Empire, but not of Turkey. In this case (Mother Teresa's case), Turkey is almost irrelevant. Takabeg (talk) 22:13, 4 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Um, yeah, but you didn't respond to my rationale that I gave. Good Ol’factory (talk) 22:14, 4 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Now we can see many Armenian-American people such as Alex Manoogian, Arman Manookian, Aurora Mardiganian, Edward Mardigian, George Mardikian, Mihran Mesrobian................. in the category Category:Ottoman emigrants to the United States. They had been also citizens of the Ottoman Empire, but not of Turkey. For now Armenians consist of the majority of that category. Takabeg (talk) 22:18, 4 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Note: Probably similar discrepancy can occur in Category:Austro-Hungarian people. Do you know how they solve problems ? Takabeg (talk) 22:40, 4 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
They just make the Austro-Hungarian categories subcategories of the Austrian categories and the Hungarian categories and then if the persons are of a different ethnicity than Australian or Hungarian, they also place them in the different category, eg, the one for Croatian people. The category system in this respect is somewhat inexact, but we keep certain categories together for convenience, more than strict accuracy. Good Ol’factory (talk) 23:31, 4 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Sources[edit]

  1. ^ "Full text of the Treaty of Lausanne (1923)". Wwi.lib.byu.edu. Retrieved 2010-08-26.
  2. ^ Böyle olunca, Türkiye, bu Devletin mirasçısı değildir; ona ardıl olan Devletlerden biridir., Seha Meray, Lozan Barış Konferansı, Tutanaklar-Belgeler (The Lausanne Peace Conference, Minutes-Documents), Cilt 1, Kitap 3, Ankara Üniversitesi, Siysal Bilgiler Fakültesi, 1973, p. 181. (in Turkish)
  3. ^ Douglas Arthur Howard, The history of Turkey, Greenwood Publishing Group, 2001, ISBN 9780313307089, p. 1
  4. ^ Ahmad Razavi, Continental shelf delimination and related maritime issues in the Persian Gulf, Martinus Nijhoff Publishers, 1997, ISBN 9789041103338, p. 149.
  5. ^ Alan Rush, Al-Sabah: History & Genealogy of Kuwait's Ruling Family, 1752-1987, Ithaca Press, 1987, ISBN 9780863720819, p. 44.
  6. ^ Elie Kedourie, Nationalism in Asia and Africa, Routledge, 1974, ISBN 9780714630465, p. 49.
  7. ^ Michael Berenbaum, Abraham J. Peck, United States Holocaust Memorial Museum, The Holocaust and History: The Known, The Unknown, The Disputed, and The Reexamined, Indiana University Press, 1998, ISBN 9780253333742, p. 537.
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