Talk:Ultrasonography of chronic venous insufficiency of the legs

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Suggest slight rewording of lead...[edit]

This is sometimes hard to understand. What do you mean by heart study? Do you mean ultrasound of the heart or something else? Also "in most medical subjects" do you mean patients? Consider: The use of ultrasound to image veins is not straightforward.

Like for the heart study, when applied to veins, the ultrasonography requires a basic knowledge and a deep understanding of hemodynamics. In fact, if the ultrasonography is related to the image study, in most of medical subjects, its usage on veins study is not straightforward.

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There is a very close relationship with hemodynamic, the only way to understand veins and to give a high quality and a useful examination report, forcing to a deep understanding and training on it.[3] In fact, the examiner knowledge and training are more important than the equipment itself.

Consider: In order to give useful information, the examiner needs a good knowledge of hemodynamics. In fact, the examiner knowledge and training may be more important than the equipment itself.

  • (Comment: this doesn't make sense to me. The implication is that an examiner without ultrasound is still capable of giving similar results...Also hemodynamics could do with explanation in brakets or a wikilink)


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The fact that specialized training centers are yet missing in some countries, makes difficult the proper usage of this technique.[4]

Consider: Specialized training in venous ultrasonography is not present in some countries.

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The lower limbs venous ultrasonography is a safe examination, there is no exposure to radiation, can be used at any age, doesn't need preparation (except for abdominal veins where the patient must be fasting since 12 hours), it has a sensitivity and specificity around 90% and even if the material is expensive, the examination isn't, because the same machine can be used in a large variety of examinations. This technique became the first choice to diagnosis confirmation in venous pathology.

Consider: Lower limbs venous ultrasonogrphay is a safe examination. There is no exposure to ionizing radiation and it can be used for people of any age. There is not usually any preparation required, except for abdominal veins which requires twelve hours fasting beforehand.

  • (Comment: abdominal veins are not in lower limbs...this para begins by specifying lower limbs...is prep ever needed for lower limbs? Is article discussing ultrasound of veins generally or just lower limbs? In which case, consider: "There is no exposure to ionizing radiation, it can be used for people of any age and there is no preparation required.")

Consider: The sensitivity and specificity is around 90%. Although the equipment is costly, the examinations themselves are inexpensive.

  • (comment: sensitivity and specificity may benefit with wikilinks)

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In chronic venous insufficiency, the importance of this examination is not only to confirm the varicose disease but, as an hemodynamic examination and taking in consideration the actual progress in vein diseases and its treatment, it needs to give special indications to the surgeon about the possibility to restore the correct blood flow from the superficial to the deep venous system.

Consider: In chronic venous insufficiency, the importance of this examination is to confirm the varicose disease, allow assessment of hemodynamics, to chart the progression of the disease over time and the response to treatment.

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This means that the detection of competent perforator veins is so important as the detection of the incompetent ones.

Consider: The detection of competent perforator veins may be as important as the detection of incompetent ones.

  • {comment: perforator veins maybe wikilink)

The draw of a mapping[nb 1] is essential to the full understanding of what is happening with the patient veins. On this map the vascular surgeon can be able to mark the points he must treat. Is the so-called virtual dissection

Consider: Mapping of the venous system is essential to aid understanding of the condition in any individual. This map enables vascular surgeons to plan interventions, a stage known as virtual dissection.


Hope this is useful. Lesion (talk) 06:12, 18 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]


Thanks for help I will revue all these points Doc Elisa ✉ 21:15, 18 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

No problem. I can look again once you are happy with the rest of the article. I just wish I knew enough of another language to write an article. Often it is good to write the lead in a clear and simple style, see WP:LEAD. Lesion (talk) 23:05, 18 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I'm very happy with the way you all work at en:WP and how you help newcomers. Unfortunately my English needs to be improved. This article is extremely important mainly if it can reach a level to be part of Translation Task Force. I'll try to do it. Doc Elisa ✉ 13:53, 19 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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The Apr 2019 version of this article was submitted to the WikiJournal of Medicine. It was peer reviewed by two external academics in the field. Their reports point to several suggestions that may improve the Wikipedia article.

At the moment, no further work on the article is taking place at the WikiJournal. I am posting this notice in the hope that the reports may be used for directly improving the Wikipedia article. T.Shafee(Evo&Evo)talk 21:16, 10 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 13 July 2020[edit]

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: no consensus on move, but on the merge. Someone familiar with the articles should perform the merge. See my comment below. —usernamekiran (talk) 03:36, 10 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]


Ultrasonography of chronic venous insufficiency of the legs → Venous ultrasound of the legs – This article was created in 2013 and has received approximately 750 edits, including guide of copy editing review and a good article promotion. It was moved boldly and in good faith after this by Mikael Häggström in 2018 for the rationale that it refers only to venous insufficiency.

I would like to request this article moves back to the title Venous ultrasound of the legs for this reason:

  1. This is what the article is about
  2. Venous ultrasound of the legs is also used for other conditions, including deep venous thrombosis
  3. There is no need for another set of "venous ultrasound of the leg for X" articles ("Venous ultrasound of the leg for deep venous thrombosis" etc.)
  4. When reading the article, the general topic of leg ultrasound is clearly the focus
  5. The common name for the procedure is leg ultrasound / venous ultrasound of the leg, even if done for the purpose of CVI, not the current overly specific title.

Ping to Iztwoz, DocElisa, Chris Capoccia who have contributed significantly to the article.

Cheers --Tom (LT) (talk) 06:26, 13 July 2020 (UTC)—Relisting. —usernamekiran (talk) 05:44, 29 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Support Absolutely agree with this - something I'd been meaning to bring up for a long while. --Iztwoz (talk) 06:34, 13 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose move. Ultrasonography of chronic venous insufficiency of the legs and Ultrasonography of deep vein thrombosis of the legs are done very differently, and both can be classified as Venous ultrasound of the legs. What could possibly be done is to merge them both into one article about Venous ultrasound of the legs, if it has clear separation of the two procedures. However, although Ultrasonography of deep vein thrombosis is mainly performed on the legs, it can possibly be performed on the arms as well. Also, readers coming from either chronic venous insufficiency or deep vein thrombosis would initially be presented with information not applicable to what they came for. Altogether, I don't see a feasible way to merge them into one leg article. Mikael Häggström (talk) 16:56, 14 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Fair enough, I see that we will not agree here. I just wish to reiterate that the primary topic of the ultrasound article is "venous ultrasound". That will be what readers are looking for and what the test will be called out in the real world. We are in that way covering the topic from the perspective of imaging, rather than from the perspective of the disease, which can already be found at the articles of the disease articles. We don't usually separate tests by indication, and I don't see why this needs to, even if there are only two usual indications here. I'll wait for other editors. --Tom (LT) (talk) 23:53, 14 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Hello Mikael - To my mind a reversal to the page as was before the split would be better. The page as was covered deep vein thrombosis and treated it separately - on the Venous thrombosis page it just states that DVT is found in the deep veins of the leg. Both items were clearly linked on the page. I had a quick look at the Journal review which apparently showed up some errors - these could be brought to this page and righted. I did think that the page when it made GA was quite a good page. Best --Iztwoz (talk) 17:55, 15 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Tom It seems that Mikael Häggström is not totally against a move - he states that the two pages could be merged into venous ultrasound of the legs if the procedures were separate. Suggest restoring page prior to split when it was given GA status and the procedures were separate; using hatnote or in text link to the split page Ultrasonography of deep vein thrombosis that has been expanded on. What do you think? --Iztwoz (talk) 11:24, 27 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Iztwoz sounds fine. I think we all agree on the presence of the general ultrasound article. --Tom (LT) (talk) 00:09, 28 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Iztwoz Tom, and Mikael Häggström: I closed the move discussion as not moved. Personally, I think merger is a good choice here, but I think you should go through the merge discussion. Regards, —usernamekiran (talk) 03:36, 10 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
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