Talk:Salaspils camp

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Translation from ru.wiki[edit]

This article should not be expanded with text translated from the Russian article because Russian article is full of unproved and even invented statements. Even the title "Salaspils (death camp)" is incorrect.--Dukurs (talk) 16:01, 2 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

NPOV[edit]

I see the NPOV tag but there's no discussion. Clarification?Mtsmallwood (talk) 03:02, 11 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Salaspils was not a "concentration camp," as even stated in the lead. It has been labeled such (along with Soviet claims that 300,000 Jews were murdered during the Holocaust on Latvian soil). The article should be renamed to a more descriptive and appropriate "prison" camp. It would have been helpful if the editor had left a comment, but from their edit history they are a newbie.

Any comments on a more proper naming? PЄTЄRS J V ►TALK 01:26, 12 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The second entity operated from 1942 and was aimed at populations civilian Soviet originating regions supporters, including more than one-third of Jews. About fifty thousand Soviet people died there. fr. wikipedia, Salaspils (trans from French)

Eighty-two thousand two hundred eight deportees began to arrive in the first quarter of 1943 in addition to two thousand prisoners of war and policies who arrived since late 1941. By the end of March, there were twelve thousand. Children less than six years were separated from their mother and died in common shacks, after two or three days of hunger or cold.

There were also amongst among them more than a thousand children or teenagers who were separated from their families and were considered as children of the streets, most destined for camp recovery of Litzmannstadt (Lodz), where many of them died.

According to the archives, twelve thousand children (half Jewish) who were killed in the camp, and some as a result of medical experiments carried out by Dr. Meisner. Most of the civilians died from typhoid fever, cold, hunger and abuse.

The Latvian State has always denied the existence of this camp as extermination camp and never published reliable statistics on this camp.Valleyspring (talk) 04:50, 9 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Valleyspring, any other conspiracy you wish to share? How come that Latvian archives are open, fully available? "Reliable statistics", you mean, making a bargain between historical research data and Soviet propaganda? Well then, just mathematically make the average between 2-3'000 and 300'000. How would that increase the reliability of statistics? ims (talk) 21:39, 9 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

After the Holocaust the camp continued to function as a labor camp where Latvians were imprisoned, hence the dual identity (different times, not different interpretations of what happened to Jewish Holocaust vctims). H. Strods estimates 2,000 died in the Holocaust in the camp, let's stay with the 2,000-3,000. If 53,700 died (as reported in Soviet encyclopedias, in some, 100,000), there would be 17 bodies buried per every square meter. The scale of Holocaust slaughter advocated for in Soviet records is a flat out lie, as is 300,000 died in the Holocaust in Latvia. So, Valleyspring, whose reports of which archives are you quoting? VєсrumЬа ►TALK 22:16, 9 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

re: Salaspils.. the source I posed was from French Wikipedia, not Russian wikipedia.

Here's what German wiki (KZ Salaspils aka Kurtenhof) says:

"Probably 12,000 prisoners have gone through during the period of its existence the camp.[14] In addition to the German Jewish victims during the setting up phase another 2,000 to 3,000 were killed people here, and the proportion of children and young people from the "gangs" should be particularly high.[15]One reason for the different information about the number of victims may be that, in Salaspils, there were two camps: the "work and re-education camp in Salaspils" and the branch camp Stalag 350/Z."Valleyspring (talk) 07:10, 13 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]