Talk:Ernest Hemingway

Arrogance and attitude toward women & animals

I admit that I have not studied the archives here, but wish to ask anyway: has nothing reliable at all ever been published about this man's disgusting personal behavior even though it often was so obvious to everyone? The article reads as if he was a perfect angel, as far as I can see. He was not, and the text needs balance. Great writer, yes. Wonderful man, emphatic no. SergeWoodzing (talk) 23:20, 14 February 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 14 April 2024

Anderson suggested Paris so that Hemingway could met the American writer

This sentence should say could meet not could met - bad spelling 2A05:87C6:1F6E:0:7882:B858:8B08:927D (talk) 08:39, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

 Done. Yes, a typo, thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 09:22, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

WP:TFA

Pinging Victoriaearle and Ceoil: Hemingway is on the TFA-pending list for the 125th birthday in July ... I see you've both been editing this this year, any thoughts on whether July would work? - Dank (push to talk) 02:39, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Hi Dank, thanks for the reminder. I'm still good for July. I've been side-tracked over at J.K. Rowling's talk page but need to switch gears & get back here asap. It needs a bit of tidying & receives fairly frequent edits, but generally it looks ok to me. Victoria (tk) 15:37, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Spanish Civil War section

Hello User:Victoriaearle, you have deleted my entire edit on the Spanish Civil War as, according to you, it was “overly detailed for this article”. I have inspected various WP policies on the level of granularity expected or recommended for various types of articles, but failed to find guidelines appropriate for this case. If you know of any, would be grateful for a link.

For the time being, I do not think my edit was overly detailed.

“This article” contains numerous very detailed sections, which I believe to many readers might be of rather limited importance. For instance, the section „Idaho and suicide”, which deals with the last 2 years of Hemingway’s life, is 881 words and generally appears to be half-way between a medical dictionary and a manual of depression-tackling techniques. I do not think my edit on the Civil War was more unnecessarily detailed than the Idaho piece, let alone few others.

My edit – which including the paragraph written by someone else was 645 words, provides a unique opportunity – which you will not find anywhere else, unless you care to go through 400 pages of Muller – to track exact Hemingway’s whereabouts in Spain (1937-1938). Thanks to it, the reader might judge for oneself whether he saw much or little, how extensive his experience was, and to what degree he might have based his writings on his own observation. Also, my edit allows the reader to realize how extensively Hemingway used to travel: during less than 2 years (actually, in 22 months) he crossed the Atlantic 8 times.

Once you have disposed of my edit, what is left seems rather odd. Currently the section “Spanish Civil War” is more about Hemingway’s relations with Dos Passos, Joris Ivens, and Martha Gelhorn than about what he was doing in Spain. Among very few pieces on his whereabouts one is wrong, namely the claim that in July 1937 Hemingway attended a conference in Valencia (he was in the US at the time). Also the claim that he was “present at the Battle of Ebro” and was “among the last to leave the battle” might mislead the reader to believe that Hemingway saw much of it; in fact, the battle lasted from late July until early November, and he was at the banks of Ebro during few hours on November 5, when it almost over, just to see last Republican troops withdrawing across the river.

Have restored my edit. If you still believe it is too detailed, instead of proceeding to delete it again please comment on this talk page, or if you think it pointless, please resolve to any of the usual methods of sorting out editorial conflicts.

regards, --Hh1718 (talk) 17:48, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

Hi Hh1718, thanks for the ping. Please take a look at Wikipedia:BOLD, revert, discuss cycle. You made a bold edit, I reverted. Now we should be discussing to achieve consensus instead of reinstating the edit - which is considered edit warring.

As to why I reverted:

a. this article is a WP:Featured article and needs to adhere to the the criteria. Also it's been scheduled for a main page appearance next month, so I'm working on bringing it into compliance

b. citations need to be rendered in a consistent manner. If you could supply bibligraphic info for the two books cited in that section here on the talk page I can reformat per the style used in the article.

c. as mentioned in my edit summary I intended to find the books, read them, and rewrite accordingly. I've not gotten to it yet but haven't forgotten.

d. because this is the main biography page it should be written in Wikipedia:Summary style. That was my intention when/if I can do the reading (I've been unwell and work very slowly, so apologies in that regard). In my view the material is interesting and anything that doesn't make it onto this page should go to For Whom the Bell Tolls.

e. Finally the article needs to adhere to prose and Wikipedia manual of style. There are some MoS (manual of style) issues & prose issues that I may not have the time to address immediately.

I did have every intention of reworking your edit. It needs to adhere to the relevant issues mentioned above. In the meantime, since we're on the cusp of an edit war, now we have to wait for others to weigh as to whether to keep it. If you were to revert yourself for the meantime, if would save a lot of trouble. If not, let's see what other think. Thanks, Victoria (tk) 20:09, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 24 May 2024

Change: "A family friend Hemingway him a job in Toronto, and with nothing else to do, he accepted." To: "A family friend offered Hemingway a job in Toronto, and with nothing else to do, he accepted." NormanCS (talk) 22:58, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

 Done Peaceray (talk) 23:57, 24 May 2024 (UTC)