Talk:Anna Livia (monument)

Update coordinates to reflect new location

I believe the coordinates should be changed to reflect the new location. Currently they point to what looks like the old location on O'Connell Street. --David Edgar (talk) 18:47, 27 June 2013 (UTC)

 Done. Good catch. Deor (talk) 19:24, 27 June 2013 (UTC)

Requested move

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The result of the move request was: not moved. Xoloz (talk) 01:03, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

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Anna Livia (monument) → Floozie in the Jacuzzi – as the overwhelming WP:COMMONAME. The current title barely even qualifies as the WP:OFFICIAL name, since the artist himself used the nickname.
Google Books search for "Floozie in the Jacuzzi" gives 82 hits, whereas "Anna Livia monument" gives only 2 hits.
I also searched the Irish Independent website, where two terms come out about evenly, after excluding false positives. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 13:24, 6 March 2014 (UTC)

• Oppose. When I search Google Books, I get 8 hits for "Eamonn O'Doherty" "Anna Livia" and only 2 for "Eamonn O'Doherty" "Floozie in the Jacuzzi". (Some of the hits for plain "Floozie in the Jacuzzi" refer to journal articles on the image of women in Irish culture, whose titles are obviously based on the statue's nickname but which may have little to do with the statue itself, and at least a couple deal with a similarly nicknamed sculpture in Birmingham's Victoria Square.) Even those sources that refer to the nickname make it clear that Anna Livia (or "the Anna Livia fountain") is the "real" name of the thing. Additionally, the nickname seems less appropriate for the sculpture in its current setting than it was for the former fountain in O'Connell Street. Deor (talk) 19:04, 6 March 2014 (UTC)

I might support a move to Anna Livia (sculpture), though. Deor (talk) 20:17, 6 March 2014 (UTC)

• Oppose (but I'm OK with Anna Livia (sculpture) if others are). "Floozie in the Jacuzzi" is a humourous nickname for the sculpture but not appropriate for an encyclopedia article title. Otherwise we'd have titles like Stiffy on the Liffey, the Prick with the Stick &c. —  AjaxSmack  01:31, 7 March 2014 (UTC)
  • If the WP:COMMONNAME of the Spire of Dublin was "Stiffy on the Liffey", then that's exactly what we should be using per our naming policy. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 11:42, 8 March 2014 (UTC)

I have notfied WikiProject Ireland. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 11:58, 8 March 2014 (UTC)

• Oppose. Sorry BHG but the "Whore in the sewer" should stay here. Murry1975 (talk) 12:07, 8 March 2014 (UTC)
  • WP:NOTAVOTE, so ... why? --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 14:07, 8 March 2014 (UTC)
    • As alluded to, there is more than one common informal name on this sculpture, and there are two floozies in the jacuzzi in informal names. For clarity and WP:RS it should stay here. Murry1975 (talk) 14:31, 8 March 2014 (UTC)
• Oppose: On this one BHG, I disagree. Let's not forget about the Tart with the cart. ww2censor (talk) 15:01, 8 March 2014 (UTC)
• Oppose. If you add the terms "-anna livia" (to be sure both names do not appear on the same page) and "o'connell" (to be sure only the Dublin "Floozie" is included) to BHG's search, you get 24 hits, including Dorothy Macardle's Earth-Bound (1924) and The Irish Republic (1937), and Flann O'Brien's At Swim-Two-Birds (1939). Of the others, Ireland's 1916 Rising misspells Anna Livia as "Anna Liva", and Éire-Ireland and Border Crossings as "Anna Liffey", while AAA Spiral Guide to Dublin, Ireland Guide, The Culchie's Guide to Dublin, the Colby Quarterly and Frommer's Dublin & Ireland actually do give the correct name, just not on the same page. Those of the others that we can actually see the contents of (insofar as they can be considered reliable sources at all), such as The Real Guide: Ireland, clearly state that "the floozie" is a nickname, not the name. The evidence of "overwhelming WP:COMMONAME" seems to be lacking. Also, "Anna Livia monument" is a bogus search, since that is not the title of this article. "Anna Livia" and "monument" gives 1,760 results. I suggest moving to Anna Livia Fountain (75 GB hits, 3 if you include "Eamonn O'Doherty") to get rid of those pesky brackets. Scolaire (talk) 17:33, 8 March 2014 (UTC)

But the sculpture's not part of a fountain any longer—just propped up over a pool. Deor (talk) 17:38, 8 March 2014 (UTC)

Strike that one, then :-) Come to think of it, "Floozie in the Jacuzzi" isn't appropriate any more either in that case, since the pool doesn't resemble a jacuzzi. It's a historical monniker every bit as much as "Anna Livia Fountain". On GB, "Floozie in the Jacuzzi" -"Anna Livia" Croppies did not match any book results. Scolaire (talk) 18:17, 8 March 2014 (UTC)

• Oppose: per Scolaire and per Deor. Snappy (talk) 13:03, 9 March 2014 (UTC)

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Other nickname

The monument's other nickname, especially when the fountain became dirty with litter, was "the whore is the sewer", where whore is pronounced Irish-style to rhyme with sewer - hoo-er, as in "cute hoo-er". Marcas.oduinn (talk) 13:51, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

... said nickname quoted by Murry1975 above. Marcas.oduinn (talk) 13:54, 8 March 2024 (UTC)