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The phrase Accusation in a mirror leads to the anchor paragraph in the article Incitement to genocide. Can someone help to link directly to this article? It would be preferable to have this article without the (rhetoric) comment. Thank you.Oceanflynn (talk) 19:25, 28 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Done (t · c) buidhe 19:34, 28 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Other examples[edit]

Other examples include Hitler's prophecy and Edmund Heines statement shortly before his murder that "it was an old putschist trick" to accuse others of what one was planning oneself.[1] (t · c) buidhe 19:39, 28 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks buidhe for solving the problem and for your suggestion. So far I have been unable to access Eleanor Hancock's "The Purge of the SA Reconsidered: "An Old Putschist Trick"?" but it sounds like it would be a good addition.Oceanflynn (talk) 04:02, 29 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

All of Zionist propaganda is mirroring: "Arabs told Hitler to exterminate the Jews!" and "Palestinian villages are really forward command posts of their invading army." Then there's the big one "Peace will come when Palestinians love their own children more than they hate Jews." Are there any write-ups on this BS? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1700:9DE0:22B0:F187:950F:B402:8DE4 (talk) 15:06, 2 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

2023 Israel[edit]

Could someone make reference to Israel's recent usage of the mirror argument? Citing self defence as justification for collective punishment (I won't bother calling it a genocide even though that is what it is). I don't have the time but I figured it's appropriate. 100.42.253.49 (talk) 22:00, 19 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Addressing the recent events in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is a complex matter, involving multiple perspectives. Regarding the specific comment, it is essential to note that Hamas has consistently expressed intentions to eliminate any Jewish presence, both in the region and globally, since its establishment. These sentiments persist, as evidenced by their recent plot to target Jewish individuals in Germany.

According to a poll conducted by https://www.awrad.org/ (Table 33), 75% of Palestinians surveyed support the destruction of Israel, favoring the option of "A Palestinian state from the river to the sea." This choice stands in contrast to options that explicitly mention coexistence, such as the "One-State Solution for Two Peoples" and "Two-State Solution for Two Peoples." Given that Israel, de facto, exists in the area "from the river to the sea" and comprises a 70% Jewish population, these expressions can be interpreted as advocating ethnic cleansing and/or genocide.

The events on October 7 further magnify these intentions, translating them into actions on a significant scale. Israel's justification for military actions, citing "self defence," is rooted in historical precedents used by states in times of war.

Moreover, the attack on October 7, was not claimed as an act of "self-defense" but as resistance against Israel.

While accusations of using the "Accusation in a mirror" tactic are leveled against one side, it is crucial to recognize that both sides employ this strategy regularly. A comprehensive analysis of these accusations and their origins would require an entire article to offer a balanced perspective on this complex issue. 116.240.168.151 (talk) 01:09, 19 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@116.240.168.151

"Given that Israel, de facto, exists in the area "from the river to the sea" and comprises a 70% Jewish population, these expressions can be interpreted as advocating ethnic cleansing and/or genocide."

No, it cannot. This is intellectual dishonesty and, ironically, a QED for this wiki page considering the incessable and brazen calls for genocides by Israeli officials, officers, media personalities. It's a most abject fallacy to equate the call for the end of a (in Palestinian perspective) occupying / colonizing state to a call for ethnic cleansing. *You* may "interpret" it that way but I fail to see why that should be the criterion here. South Africa was an Apartheid state governed by whites. Anti-apartheid, thus the overthrow of the exclusively white state, was not a call for the ethnic cleansing of whites (and I'm sure there were calls for that too). Neither were all of the other African, Asian and American calls for decolonization. Zionism equals nationalism or colonialism (depending on your perspective), but certainly not Judaism. Honest ink (talk) 08:16, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

:I agree Israel is doing the same thing to the Palestinian people. They keep conflating being anti-zionist or even being critical of Israel is antisemitic even if it’s not. And yes as an anti-zionist Jew it’s horrible what Israel is doing. Shelly098 (talk) 06:31, 21 November 2023 (UTC) ~~::Here is a link to an example~~ Deleted/striked thru because the user personally wants to have better sourced information[reply]