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Gordon Ramsay Fish & Chips[edit]

Recently, an IP editor added text to this article, as follows:

A location is planned in Fall 2022 for Gordon Ramsay Fish & Chips^[1] at Suite 105; they have already begun hiring staff^[2].

I then added the following text, which was reverted:

In late 2022, a Gordon Ramsay Fish & Chips restaurant is planned to open within 1500 Broadway.^[3]^[4]

References

^ Davenport, Emily (6 May 2022). "New Gordon Ramsay Fish & Chips location coming to Times Square". AM NY: The Villager. Retrieved 7 June 2022.
^ "Hiring: Sous Chef, Gordon Ramsay Fish & Chips - NY". Retrieved 22 June 2022.
^ Davenport, Emily (May 6, 2022). "New Gordon Ramsay Fish & Chips location coming to Times Square". amNewYork. Retrieved June 22, 2022.
^ Adams, Erika (May 9, 2022). "Celebrity Chef Gordon Ramsay Is Opening a Fish-and-Chips Chain in Times Square". Eater NY. Retrieved June 22, 2022.

Here are the issues I had with the previous text:

First, MOS:SEASON discourages the use of seasons to refer to a particular time period: for example, Avoid the use of seasons to refer to a particular time of year (winter 1995) as such uses are ambiguous. This is why I had changed "Fall 2022" to "late 2022". These terms are pretty much interchangeable in the Northern Hemisphere, hence why I had changed it. However, the source doesn't even mention the fall, merely "later this year". So I'm not sure how my edit was "incorrect" as claimed in this edit summary.
Second, the fact that the restaurant has started hiring staff isn't really that relevant in the long term, even with further context such as "The restaurant started hiring staff in June 2022". Mentioning such details goes against our "Wikipedia is not a newspaper" policy. Furthermore, the phrasing "A location is planned in Fall 2022" is unclear; the fact that the location is opening in the fall is much more clear.

There were more minor details as well. My edit contains an additional reference from Eater, which was removed for some reason. Also, per WP:REFPUNCT, the period must come after the reference, not beforehand. Epicgenius (talk) 21:14, 22 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

> My edit contains an additional reference from Eater, which was removed for some reason.

It's just that the Eater reference is redundant. That article begins with the following: "The brash, expletive-dropping celebrity chef Gordon Ramsay is opening a restaurant in Times Square. AMNewYork reports..."; and the word "reports" in that article is a link to their information source. That source is the same AM NY: The Villager article, which I had ALREADY linked a reference to in the WikiPedia article, when I first added the Gordon Ramsay Fish & Chips information to the article. I'll concede all of your other points, as I'm new to editing articles on WikiPedia (that's why I haven't created an account yet), and will bow to your experience and knowledge. However, a footnoted reference which merely gets its information from a previously footnoted root source reference (and which offers no additional information) has no need to be included. It's superfluous. 2600:1700:A000:5FC0:D560:85E1:A912:C534 (talk) 16:14, 23 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

That sounds fine to me. I have no objection to removing the additional reference; like you said, it's entirely redundant and provides no new information. – Epicgenius (talk) 20:44, 29 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

[1] Davenport, Emily (6 May 2022). "New Gordon Ramsay Fish & Chips location coming to Times Square". AM NY: The Villager. Retrieved 7 June 2022.

[2] "Hiring: Sous Chef, Gordon Ramsay Fish & Chips - NY". Retrieved 22 June 2022.

[Davenport_2022-3] Davenport, Emily (May 6, 2022). "New Gordon Ramsay Fish & Chips location coming to Times Square". amNewYork. Retrieved June 22, 2022.

[Adams_2022-4] Adams, Erika (May 9, 2022). "Celebrity Chef Gordon Ramsay Is Opening a Fish-and-Chips Chain in Times Square". Eater NY. Retrieved June 22, 2022.

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