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Lobby cards[edit]

Are these acceptable substitutes in the absence of posters? I see many old Hollywood cartoon shorts (especially Merrie Melodies and Looney Tunes) using them, but Krimuk2.0 objects to a lobby card of Soldier being used. Kailash29792 (talk) 02:55, 10 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If there is no poster image, I see no issue with a lobby-card image. WP:NFC says cover art is permitted for visual identification. Erik (talk | contrib) (ping me) 03:26, 10 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. And the film poster article itself says, "Lobby cards are similar to posters but smaller". Kailash29792 (talk) 04:09, 10 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
"If there is no poster image" is key. Krimuk2.0 (talk) 05:49, 10 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Is there a poster image? I took a quick look but didn't find one. If there is one, it can be used instead of the lobby card. I don't think there has to be nothing until a poster image can be found. Erik (talk | contrib) (ping me) 12:32, 10 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Your decision is good Erik. Something instead of nothing, since lobby cards are posters. Hope you didn't search for the namesake American film which came the same year. Kailash29792 (talk) 15:45, 10 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template-protected edit request on 22 March 2024[edit]

Hello there,

I'm Jannie an art student in the University of Ghana.

I will like to use your template to create a Wikipedia page for a movie.

This will help people in Ghana and across the world to read about the movie and possibly refer others to watch.

I hope my request will meet your consideration and approval.

Thank you Jannie-semenyo (talk) 17:49, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: This talk page is for improvements to Template:Infobox film. Any page may use this template by transcluding it through placing {{Infobox film}} in the page's source. Any film article must meet the notability guideline for movies. For further assistance, please visit the Teahouse. SWinxy (talk) 20:21, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Does country equals "independent country"?[edit]

Recently, there was some issue between me and another user about Shadows of Forgotten Ancestors, a Soviet film produced by Dovzhenko Film Studios from Ukrainian SSR (a constituent member of the Soviet Union at the time). He thinks that Ukrainian SSR should be listed as the country, and I would prefer Soviet Union to be listed. Frankly, apart from [1], I haven't seen any source listing its country of origin as such and most of the inital arguments from the user were sites listing it as a Ukrainian film. However, I don't think it being Ukrainian film means that its country of origin is not Soviet Union, as Ukraine was a part of that country, not a country itself. The discussion even touched upon so-called Russian disinformation and Ukrainian nationalism, so I really don't want to continue going in that direction here. I have posted this on the talk page and am waiting for his response, but I would like to hear more opinions of what should country generally indicate.

Some of my examples were:

  • "We don't write for Hollywood films that they are from California, but from the US"
  • "It is usual to refer to films made in USSR as Soviet films: Russian Mirror (film) is labelled as "Soviet film", as well as Come and See or Lieutenant Kijé (film) from Belarus, Armenian Anahit (1947 film) etc., etc. Even other films from Ukrainian SSR are labelled as Soviet films, such as Aerograd or Farewell, America."
  • "Ukraine was not an independent country, but just a constitutive republic of the Soviet Union (just like California in the USA and I don't care if you like that comparison or not). If you are offended by that, another example is that we don't write for Scottish or Welsh films that their country of origin is Scotland or Wales, since those are not countries."

I have also checked seven other random famous films from defunct states aside from the Soviet Union and they all included the original country:

The only exception from this rule that I could find are the films from United Arab Republic (1958-1961 union of Egypt and Syria), which all have country of origin listed as "Egypt", probably due to fact that Syria had little to none national cinema at the time. Also, a huge majority of films listed in Category:Austro-Hungarian films have the country as Austria-Hungary. Same with Category:Films of the Russian Empire. StjepanHR (talk) 01:31, 8 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Bit of a howler of an example you've got there. Scotland is most certainly a country. That Sinking Feeling. Barry Wom (talk) 02:46, 8 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I took only a quick look at Category:Scottish films and majority stated "United Kingdom" as the country. StjepanHR (talk) 03:15, 8 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
P.S. I agree that Scotland is a country in a sub-independent level (admittedly, I should have wrote "not an independent country", my mistake :( ), but I specifically asked if the country of origin should mean "independent country" or if it should include sub-national level states. StjepanHR (talk) 03:17, 8 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template-protected edit request on 2 May 2024[edit]

Please, add VISUAL EFFECTS category to update information in this film template. Neuropixels (talk) 13:58, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

We have not wanted to add more credits to the film infobox because it is already long enough, but this does not mean that a full crew list cannot be provided in the article body. (After all, the infobox is generally a summary of what is in the article.) See Panic Room#Production as an example. Erik (talk | contrib) (ping me) 14:05, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 9 May 2024[edit]

production design to the Info box film template. So that production designers of films can be credited. thanks Maryturner88 (talk) 05:50, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{Edit template-protected}} template. Nardog (talk) 10:57, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with Maryturner88 - the credit for 'PRODUCTION DESIGNER' should be added to the info box template. The Production Designer is as important as the Cinematographer. This omission is disrespectful to a role of key creative significance on any film/TV project. The Production Designer is responsible for creating the visual world that the actors inhabit and the camera photographs. Without the Production Designer, there is no 'world'. Fleurwhitlock (talk) 15:54, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Can you give an example of an article this is missing at? Gonnym (talk) 16:11, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
All film pages are missing the role of PRODUCTION DESIGNER in the info box. The option to add it does not exist in the template Fleurwhitlock (talk) 16:13, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I asked for an example, not a repeat of what you said above. Gonnym (talk) 16:29, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply] 
{| class="wikitable"
!Directed by
|[[Roland Joffé]]
|-
!Written by
|[[Robert Bolt]]
|-
!Produced by
|
* [[Fernando Ghia]]
* [[David Puttnam]]
* [[Máximo Berrondo]]
|-
!Starring
|
* [[Robert De Niro]]
* [[Jeremy Irons]]
|-
!Cinematography
|[[Chris Menges]]
|-
!Edited by
|[[Jim Clark (film editor)|Jim Clark]]
|-
!Music by
|[[Ennio Morricone]]
|-
!Production
company
|[[Goldcrest Films]]
|-
!Distributed by
|[[Columbia Pictures|Columbia]]-[[The Cannon Group, Inc.|Cannon]]-[[Warner Bros. Pictures|Warner Distributors]]
|-
!Release dates
|
* 16 May 1986 ([[1986 Cannes Film Festival|Cannes]])
* 31 October 1986 (United States)
|-
!Running time
|125 minutes
|-
!Country
|United Kingdom
|-
!Languages
|
* English
* Latin
* [[Guaraní language|Guaraní]]
|-
!Budget
|[[Pound sterling|£]]16.5 million
|-
!Box office
|[[United States dollar|$]]17.2 million
|}
Fleurwhitlock (talk) 16:32, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Again, I asked for an article, not code. --Gonnym (talk) 18:02, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not sure what you need - the issue is that the info box template doesn't allow for the Production Designer to be credited. Here is the link to the Wikipedia page for the feature film 'The Mission':
The Mission (1986 film)
Production Designer: Stuart Craig nominated for an Academy Award Fleurwhitlock (talk) 18:05, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Well I did ask three times for an "article" example of where this would be missing, so I'm not sure what was so unclear. At least now you gave an example. So looking at Stuart Craig, the article prose does not mention him even once and if he wouldn't have been nominated for an award then he'd have zero mentions in the article. Now I'm not saying other entries in the infobox aren't problematic, even Chris Menges isn't mentioned in the article, but before you go asking to add a new parameter to the infobox, notice that this credit has been missing for years from articles where any information can be added. To recap, currently there is no reason to add more information to the infobox and I'd be more inclined to remove information from it. Gonnym (talk) 18:11, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This issue has been raised before:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Infobox_film/Archive_22#Production_Designer_Credit
The three key creative roles (after the script has been written and the money raised) in film production are: director, production designer and cinematographer.
The Production Designer is responsible for the visual world regardless of a studio or location based project. Even a contemporary production requires input from the Production Designer to create the world required by the script.
I agree - fewer credited roles would be better (eg Narrator or Distributor) but the Production Designer should be added. Fleurwhitlock (talk) 18:36, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This conversation isn't leading anywhere. You missed my point completely that no one cares to add the information to the article itself. The infobox isn't here to replace the article but to summarize key points in it. If the production designer isn't even mentioned in articles then there is no point in adding it to the infobox. Gonnym (talk) 19:55, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Barbie film, in Wikipedia there is a whole section written about the set design under development with refs to external articles and yet no production Designer is listed in the box. External link:https://www.nytimes.com/2023/07/26/movies/barbie-movie-set-design.html
can I also ask please if you can be more polite in your replies you are being very aggressive and it’s not really necessary. 84.9.59.239 (talk) 20:04, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Again missing the point completely. I'm sure you can find a handful of articles that mention these people. Most articles won't, just as a lot don't mention the editor. People love to request over and over to add information to the infobox, but do little to actually add the information to the article. I find a request from an editor that created their account just to request this addition here to be in very bad faith. Gonnym (talk) 20:11, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You’re not getting the point and I fear you never will. They do mention the designers, you just don’t know it, read about it or educate yourself on it and yet you post here and pretend you do. You know so little about movies and film, you’re no expert. I’ll be reporting you. Have a nice day. 84.9.59.239 (talk) 20:38, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Adding the entry "executive producer"[edit]

I was thinking of adding an entry for "executive producer" in the template to refer to the producers directly involved for financially investing in the film. 2600:1700:B331:50F0:C9F3:119E:1837:833 (talk) 18:56, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This is not usually a noteworthy crew member, unlike in television where the executive producers are the lead creators. In film, "executive producer" is a title given to all sorts of people, including people who aren't even involved in the making of the film. - adamstom97 (talk) 19:00, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That's correct the EP in film is not involved in the creative and management responsibility like TV shows, but a film's EP does invest in the shoot so they are noteworthy in my opinion. 2600:1700:B331:50F0:C9F3:119E:1837:833 (talk) 19:03, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The WikiProject Film community is pretty set on the list of credits in the infobox, but this does not mean that executive producers cannot be named in the article body, if reliable sources support that. I've listed art directors, costume designers, and production designers in some places. Just be aware that it may be that many executive producers are not notable figures. Erik (talk | contrib) (ping me) 19:24, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm starting to think this page needs a list of perennial proposals... DonIago (talk) 19:41, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Like filling out Template:Editnotices/Page/Template talk:Infobox film or more like a talk-header template? Erik (talk | contrib) (ping me) 19:56, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
We already have a header advising about the removal of the sequel field way-back-when and the 'omission' of ratings information; perhaps something about executive producers could be added there. Or perhaps we just need a bulleted list of fields that have been brought up before with links to any key discussions. I'm just spitballing though. DonIago (talk) 20:09, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
An edit notice would probably be helpful, listing all the parameters many editors request to add that have been discussed before: EPs, below the line production heads, etc. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 22:50, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If it pares down the number of redundant requests we get or makes it easier to address them by referring editors to the notice then I'd fully support that. DonIago (talk) 05:56, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Edit request 6 June 2024[edit]

Description of suggested change: Add PRODUCTION DESIGNER as credit in the info box

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Production Designer

Fleurwhitlock (talk) 16:12, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The PRODUCTION DESIGNER is a key role in any film or TV drama project. It is their job to interpret the script and create the world in which the narrative takes place. They usually begin their work before the cinematographer is engaged and sometimes before the director is confirmed. This credit should be added alongside Director and Cinematographer.

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{Edit template-protected}} template. - FlightTime (open channel) 16:16, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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