Talk:Sri Sathya Sai International Organization

Wrong article

Why was this article changed to the International Sai Seva Trust? That is something completely different and unconnected to the Sathya Sai Organization. This should be reverted and a new article created for that entity if deemed appropriate. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 175.37.114.18 (talk) 00:57, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

Sai Ram. We are from Sri Sathya Sai Central Trust the Sai Organisation in question. We would like to correct the Page title to Sri Sathya Sai Central Trust from Sathya Sai Organization. Kindly help us in correcting the information on Wikipedia

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see [[1]]. Sathya Sai Organisation is the wrong spelling. I think that the article Beliefs and practices in the Sathya Sai Baba movement should not be merged because there are quite a lot of followers/sympathizers who are not affiliated with the org. In addition some followers have beliefs at variance with SSB's claims or do accept all his claims. Andries 13:25, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

You're right Kkrystian 18:42 21 October 2006 (UTC+1)

I do not think that it is okay to copy information about demographics from the article Sathya Sai Baba movement, because not all people in the SSB movement are part of the organization as I have stated several times before. Andries 21:03, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

Merge with Sathya Sai Baba movement

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.

The result was No consensus to merge -- Jreferee ^(Talk) 04:40, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

At the moment this article is redundant because everything that is stated in this article is also stated in the article Sathya Sai Baba movement. Reducing redundancy increases maintainability and is in correspondence with the recommendation made at the first arbitration case regarding Sathya Sai Baba. See Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Sathya_Sai_Baba/Proposed_decision#Loss_of_focus_2. (In this case I agree with the arbcom) . Andries 15:12, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

Please discuss at Talk:Sathya_Sai_Baba_movement#Merge_from_Sathya_Sai_Organization. Not here. Andries 15:17, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Edit the Title

We are from Sri Sathya Sai Central Trust, the official Sathya Sai Organization mentioned on Wikipedia. We would like to correct the Page Title from 'Sathya Sai Organization' to 'Sri Sathya Sai Central Trust' as the former never existed/doesn't exist. The right name / title / reference should be 'Sri Sathya Sai Central Trust'. Request the same to be updated.

Venkatant (talk) 07:05, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

Some proposed changes to correct the information on wikipedia regarding sathya sai organizations

• Specific text to be added or removed: Rename Page Title to 'Sri Sathya Sai Central Trust' based on below evidences
• Reason for the change: Baba had established Sri Sathya Sai Central Trust. There is no entity by name 'International Sai Seva Trust'. To correct the error, following is being requested
• References supporting change: URL of Sri Sathya Sai Central Trust :https://www.srisathyasai.org/pages/ and external references to substantiate that 'Sri Sathya Sai Central Trust' should be the right organisation name a) b)c) - From these sources, it is quite clear that the organisation established by Baba and the Parent concern of all Sri Sathya Sai Organisations is 'Sri Sathya Sai Central Trust'

• Specific text to be added or removed: Rename all instances of 'International Sai Seva Trust (ISST)' or 'International Sai Seva Trust' to 'Sri Sathya Sai Central Trust'
• Reason for the change: The information is not correct. The right name of the Trust is 'Sri Sathya Sai Central Trust'
• References supporting change: URL of Sri Sathya Sai Central Trust :https://www.srisathyasai.org/pages/ and external references to substantiate that 'Sri Sathya Sai Central Trust' should be the right organisation name a)b)c) - From these sources, it is quite clear that the organisation established by Baba and the Parent concern of all Sri Sathya Sai Organisations is 'Sri Sathya Sai Central Trust'

• Specific text to be added or removed: Correct the website from 'www.saibabaofindia.com/index.html to 'https://www.srisathyasai.org/pages/' in InfoBox organisation template
• Reason for the change: The existing link is not of 'Sri Sathya Sai Central Trust'. The right link is 'https://www.srisathyasai.org/pages/'
• References supporting change: URL of Sri Sathya Sai Central Trust :https://www.srisathyasai.org/pages/ and external references to substantiate that 'Sri Sathya Sai Central Trust' should be the right organisation a)

• Specific text to be added or removed: Projects section 'The SSIO hosts various institutes, trusts and associations.[1] They include:'
• Reason for the change: We are not here for advertisement but for correction. This section needs to be rectified to show, 'The Sri Sathya Sai Central Trust hosts various institutes, trusts and associations.[1] They include:'
• References supporting change: All projects are listed on Page 'https://www.srisathyasai.org/pages/sai-projects.html. Please see below

• Specific text to be added or removed: List of Projects to be corrected to the following

Education " Sri Sathya Sai Institute of Higher Learning " Sri Sathya Sai Higher Secondary School " Sri Sathya Sai Gurukulam English Medium School " Sri Sathya Sai Vidya Vahini " Sri Sathya Sai Centre for Human Values " Sri Sathya Sai International Centre Healthcare " Sri Sathya Sai Institute of Higher Medical Sciences - Prasanthigram " Sri Sathya Sai Institute of Higher Medical Sciences - Whitefield " Sri Sathya Sai Mobile Hospital " Sri Sathya Sai General Hospital - Prasanthi Nilayam " Sri Sathya Sai General Hospital - Whitefield Water Projects " Anantapur Water Project " Medak and Mahabubnagar Water Project " Chennai Water Project " East Godavari and West Godavari Water Projects Social Work " Odisha housing project " Relief work during natural disasters " Sai Mitra Solar Energy Project Culture and Heritage " Sri Sathya Sai Media Centre (earlier known as Radio Sai) Books and Publications " Sri Sathya Sai Sadhana Trust (Publications division - earlier known as Sri Sathya Sai Books and Publications Trust)

• Reason for the change: We are not interested in advertisement, however, we are concerned that the right information is not available on Wikipedia. Kindly refer to the evidences below and help us in correcting the information and supporting us in Data integrity.
• References supporting change: All projects are listed on Page 'https://www.srisathyasai.org/pages/sai-projects.html. Please see below for each project the website URL and external link is provided for your validation and correction. Kindly go through the same

Education " Sri Sathya Sai Institute of Higher Learning (URL : https://www.sssihl.edu.in/ ; 3rd Party links : ) " Sri Sathya Sai Higher Secondary School (URL : http://www.ssshss.edu.in/ ; 3rd Party Links : ) " Sri Sathya Sai Gurukulam English Medium School (URL : https://www.sssihl.edu.in/ ; 3rd Party links : ) " Sri Sathya Sai Vidya Vahini (URL : https://www.srisathyasaividyavahini.org/ ;3rd Party Links : ) " Sri Sathya Sai Centre for Human Values (URL : https://www.srisathyasai.org/pages/sai-human-values.html ; 3rd Party Links  : ) " Sri Sathya Sai Global Council (URL : https://www.sssglobalcouncil.org/ ; 3rd Party Links  : ) Healthcare " Sri Sathya Sai Institute of Higher Medical Sciences - Prasanthigram (URL : https://prasanthigram.sssihms.org/ ; 3rd Party Links  : ) " Sri Sathya Sai Institute of Higher Medical Sciences - Whitefield (URL : https://sssihms.org/ ; 3rd Party Links  : https://media.radiosai.org/journals/Vol_04/01JAN06/coverstory_sssihms_wf.htm) " Sri Sathya Sai Mobile Hospital (URL : https://www.sssmh.org.in/ ; 3rd Party Links  : https://media.radiosai.org/journals/vol_11/01DEC13/Sri-Sathya-Sai-Mobile-Hospital-Wins-CNBC-TV18-Healthcare-Award.htm ;  ; ) " Sri Sathya Sai General Hospital - Prasanthi Nilayam (URL : https://www.sssgh.org/ ; 3rd Party Links  : https://en.everybodywiki.com/Sri_Sathya_Sai_Super_Speciality_Hospital) " Sri Sathya Sai General Hospital - Whitefield (URL : https://sssihms.org/ ; 3rd Party Links  : https://en.everybodywiki.com/Sri_Sathya_Sai_Super_Speciality_Hospital Water Projects) " Sri Sathya Sai National Drinking Water Mission (3rd Party links : http://www.indiasanitationcoalition.org/resources/Case-Study-Sri-Sathya-Sai-Water-Supply.pdf  ;  ; https://www.hindustantimes.com/india/water-miracle-that-lives-on/story-YtcJkV7Pooc7JoRGYGj6vL.html ; ) Social Work " Relief work during natural disasters (3rd Party links : http://saibaba.ws/service/orissa_flood_relief.htm. ; https://sathyasaibaba.wordpress.com/tag/orissa/. ; ) " Sai Mitra Solar Energy Project (3rd Party links : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=geanj78UEok ; ; https://www.pv-magazine-india.com/press-releases/sri-sathya-sai-trust-selects-orb-energy-to-install-2-27-mw-rooftop-solar-pv-system/) Culture and Heritage " Sri Sathya Sai Media Centre (earlier known as Radio Sai) (URL : https://www.sssmediacentre.org/#/ ; YouTube : https://www.youtube.com/c/RadioSaiGlobalHarmony ; 3rd Party links : ) Books and Publications " Sri Sathya Sai Sadhana Trust (Publications division - earlier known as Sri Sathya Sai Books and Publications Trust) (URL :https://www.srisathyasaipublications.com/)

• Specific text to be added or removed: Rename 'Sathya Sai Baba' to 'Sri Sathya Sai Baba'
• Reason for the change: The right name is 'Sri Sathya Sai Baba' and not the earlier one. When ever Baba wrote and signed, it was always 'Sri Sathya Sai Baba'.
• References supporting change: Following evidences show the Signature of 'Sri Sathya Sai Baba' and hence the name needs to be corrected to 'Sri Sathya Sai Baba' across the page.

a) b) c)

• Specific text to be added or removed: External Links section,
• Reason for the change: The link is wrong and broken. Please add https://www.sssmediacentre.org/#/ and https://www.srisathyasai.org/pages/
• References supporting change: The right links towards Sri Sathya Sai Central Trust are https://www.sssmediacentre.org/#/ and https://www.srisathyasai.org/pages/

Venkatant (talk) 06:56, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

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@Bonadea The changes are already requested. Without checking, reverting to old versions do not help users find right information on Wikipedia. This page contains outdated information.

Venkatant (talk) 14:59, 9 October 2021 (UTC)

Seven edit requests partially implemented.

• Per the information on the organisation's website, "International Sai Seva Trust" has been changed to "Sri Sathya Sai Central Trust". All mentions of "International Sai Seva Trust" were inserted in the article last year by a single-purpose account.
• The name of the organisation itself in the opening sentencce and the infobox has been changed to "Sri Sathya Sai International Organisation".
• Sri has not been added to Sathya Sai Baba's name, in accordance with MOS:HONORIFIC.
• The link to the official website has been changed to sathyasai.org. It has not been changed to srisathyasai.org, which is the website of Sri Sathya Sai Central Trust, and which is linked from sathyasai.org.
• The list of projects has been rewritten in prose form, and most entries have been removed; there are no secondary sources, and the point of this article is to give a general overview, not to report on the organisation's structure and activities in detail. --bonadea contributions talk 11:15, 10 October 2021 (UTC)

@bonadea The status on Sri Sathya Sai Central Trust website is wrong in wikipedia. The right link is https://www.srisathyasai.org/ . Have opened wrong article section below. Sathyasai.org has nothing to do with Sri Sathya Sai Central Trust and Prasanthi Nilayam. The Hospitals, schools etc are run by Sri Sathya Sai Central Trust. Please correct the misinformation the article by the associated press clearly mentions "As the young guru attracted followers, his hometown, Puttaparthi, grew from a sleepy village into a vibrant town with a sprawling ashram, built in 1950, as well as a large hospital, a university and schools run by his Sathya Sai Central Trust, set up in 1972 with donations. The trust, estimated to be worth at least $8.9 billion, also established spiritual centers in the Indian cities of Mumbai, Hyderabad and Chennai. In addition, it built another hospital in Bangalore, India, where Sai Baba had a summer home, and financed water supply projects in several of the country’s southern states." — Preceding unsigned comment added by Venkatant (talk • contribs) 11:21, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

Wrong Article

The Article is inaccurate and reflects wrong information. Sri Sathya Sai Central Trust is the central body governing all Sai Organisations. SSSIO is not part of Sri Sathya Sai Central Trust. The right link of Sri Sathya Sai Central Trust is https://www.srisathyasai.org/pages/sai-about-trust.html

Venkatant (talk) 06:55, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

The article does not say that SSSIO is part of SSSCT. I have now understood why you are so anxious for the article about SSSIO to be removed in favour of an article about SSSCT: apparently there is an inter-organisational quarrel, per https://www.sathyasai.org/announcements/sssio-not-part-of-sssgc . --bonadea contributions talk 07:14, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

@bonadea - This has nothing to do with Organisational change and we are not anxious. We (SSSCT) are trying to correct information in Wikipedia about Sri Sathya Sai Baba and Sri Sathya Sai Central Trust. So far SSSCT never had a Team to look at Wikipedia. Now we do and hence these requests have been coming. Please do not associate us with quarrels and inaccurate assumptions. The article says The SSSIO is an umbrella organization which runs several institutes, trusts and associations. They include the Sri Sathya Sai Central Trust, Radio Sai, Sri Sathya Sai Humanitarian Relief, Sri Sathya Sai University, and the Sri Sathya Sai Institute of Higher Medical Science, which includes a super specialty hospital. This is not right. SSSIO is not an umbrella organisation of SSSCT. Sri Sathya Sai Central trust runs Sri Sathya Sai Insititue of Higher Learning, Sri Sathya Sai Vidya Vahini, Sri Sathya Sai Media Centre, Water projects and housing projects. Radio Sai is now renamed to Sri Sathya Sai Media Centre. Either the page be corrected or we will have to request for a new page for Sri Sathya Sai Central Trust as the information needs to be reflected.

What is surprising is why our requested edits are not happening in both the pages and links shared by us are discredited as internal links or unreliable sources even when Wikipedia refers to the sources as reliable while other internal organisation links are accepted?

Title : Sri Sathya Sai Central Trust

The Sri Sathya Sai Central Trust (SSSCt) was founded by Him in the year 1972. Sri Sathya Sai Central Trust is a Public Charitable Trust registered under Section 12A of the Income Tax Act, 1961 for carrying out activities in the areas of: Relief to the Poor, Medical Relief, Education, Other objects of General Public Utility. The SSSCT runs several institutes, trusts and associations. They include Sri Sathya Sai Insititue of Higher Learning, Sri Sathya Sai Vidya Vahini, Sri Sathya Sai Media Centre, Water projects and housing projects. SSSCT is headquartered in Prasanthi Nilayam, Puttaparthi.

Links :

a) https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/andhra-pradesh/un-body-confers-special-status-on-sri-sathya-sai-central-trust/article32950161.ece

b) https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/andhra-pradesh/sri-sathya-sai-global-council-to-come-up-next-year/article33164142.ece

c) https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/andhra-pradesh/sathya-sai-trust-signs-mou-with-ncert-ciet/article32999159.ece

Venkatant (talk) 07:27, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

What is surprising is why our requested edits are not happening It is not surprising at all – in fact, the edit requests placed by yourself have been dealt with a lot sooner than many other requests waiting at Category:Wikipedia_requested_edits, despite the fact that they are often difficult to read and understand, and despite the fact that you have been making a lot of requests seemlingly without first reading Wikipedia:Edit requests. Please keep in mind that a) Wikipedia editors are volunteers, donating their time and sometimes their money to edit Wikipedia, and nobody is ever required to edit a particular article, edit when they do not feel like doing so, or respond to a particular request; b) an edit request is just that, a request, and the volunteer who evaluates it cannot implement the request if it goes against Wikipedia policies; c) you have been placing multiple long and complex edit requests which requires a lot of time to understand, much less to evaluate; and d) almost none of the changes you propose is uncontroversial and/or has consensus in favour of implementing it. Has your account ever been used by more than one individual, since you keep using the pronoun "we"? --bonadea contributions talk 11:01, 13 October 2021 (UTC)

Request to change this page

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<table class="infobox vcard"><caption class="infobox-title fn org">Sri Sathya Sai International Organization (SSSIO)</caption><tr><th scope="row" class="infobox-label" style="padding-right:0.6em;">Formation</th><td class="infobox-data note">1965</td></tr><tr><th scope="row" class="infobox-label" style="padding-right:0.6em;">Type</th><td class="infobox-data">Non Profit</td></tr><tr><th scope="row" class="infobox-label" style="padding-right:0.6em;">Headquarters</th><td class="infobox-data">[[Los Angeles]], [[USA]]</td></tr><tr><th scope="row" class="infobox-label" style="padding-right:0.6em;">Location</th><td class="infobox-data label"><div class="plainlist"><ul><li>Worldwide</li></ul></div></td></tr><tr><th scope="row" class="infobox-label" style="padding-right:0.6em;">Website</th><td class="infobox-data"><span class="url">[http://www.sathyasai.org www<wbr/>.sathyasai<wbr/>.org]</span></td></tr></table> The '''Sri Sathya Sai International Organization''' (SSSIO) is a spiritual and humanitarian [[non-governmental organization]] founded in the 1960s by [[Sathya Sai Baba]], an [[Indian people|Indian]] guru and spiritual leader. It primarily works within the areas of education and humanitarian aid, in India and internationally. The SSSIO is an umbrella organization which runs several institutes, trusts and associations.

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<table class="infobox vcard"><caption class="infobox-title fn org">Sri Sathya Sai International Organization (SSSIO)</caption><tr><th scope="row" class="infobox-label" style="padding-right:0.6em;">Formation</th><td class="infobox-data note">1965</td></tr><tr><th scope="row" class="infobox-label" style="padding-right:0.6em;">Type</th><td class="infobox-data">Non Profit</td></tr><tr><th scope="row" class="infobox-label" style="padding-right:0.6em;">Headquarters</th><td class="infobox-data">[[Los Angeles]], [[USA]]</td></tr><tr><th scope="row" class="infobox-label" style="padding-right:0.6em;">Location</th><td class="infobox-data label"><div class="plainlist"><ul><li>[[World|Worldwide]]</li></ul></div></td></tr><tr><th scope="row" class="infobox-label" style="padding-right:0.6em;">Website</th><td class="infobox-data"><span class="url">[http://www.sathyasai.org www<wbr/>.sathyasai<wbr/>.org]</span></td></tr></table> The '''Sri Sathya Sai International Organization''' (SSSIO) is a spiritual and humanitarian [[non-governmental organization]] founded in the 1960s by [[Sathya Sai Baba]], an [[Indian people|Indian]] guru and spiritual leader. Its goal is to help people realize the Divine Principle innate in every human being. The activities of the SSSIO are broadly spiritual, educational, and service-oriented. The SSSIO promotes and practices harmony of religions and unity of faiths. It includes people from all religions, faiths, and nationalities. Selfless service includes a great deal of humanitarian aid in India and internationally. Education in human values, starting with the all-encompassing values of Truth, Right Conduct, Peace, Love, and Nonviolence, is an important aspect of all Sai Centres. The SSSWF (Sri Sathya Sai World Foundation) governs all functions of the SSSIO. It is registered as a 501(c)(3) public charitable foundation in California, USA. SSSWF works with the Prasanthi Council, which is the executive and administrative body of the SSSIO.

• Reason for the change: Begin providing a suitable description of the Sri Sathya Sai International Organization (SSSIO). The current page is an awful stub for it. I am a past officer of the SSSIO.
• References supporting change: Here is the URL of the SSSIO: https://www.sathyasai.org/about-us/organisation

DavidGries (talk) 22:19, 23 September 2023 (UTC)

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 Not done: A majority of the requested changes are currently written in a promotional tone. Please review WP:Neutral point of view and ensure you follow this before submitting any edit requests.  Spintendo  23:07, 23 September 2023 (UTC)

Second request to change this page

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The '''Sri Sathya Sai International Organization''' (SSSIO) is a spiritual and humanitarian [[non-governmental organization]] founded in the 1960s by [[Sathya Sai Baba]], an [[Indian people|Indian]] guru and spiritual leader. It primarily works within the areas of education and humanitarian aid, in India and internationally. The SSSIO is an umbrella organization which runs several institutes, trusts and associations.

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The '''Sri Sathya Sai International Organization''' (SSSIO) is a spiritual and humanitarian [[non-governmental organization]] founded in the 1960s by [[Sathya Sai Baba]], an [[Indian people|Indian]] guru and spiritual leader. Its goal is to help people realize their innate divinity. The SSSIO promotes and practices harmony of religions and unity of faiths. The SSSIO consists of Sathya Sai Baba Centers in over 100 countries outside of India. Center activities revolve around what Sathya Sai Baba has called three complementary paths to liberation: devotion to God; action or duty, expressed as selfless service; and spiritual knowledge. Sathya Sai Baba has called truth, right conduct, peace, love, and nonviolence the five guiding principles of the movement; and the study of these universal human values and learning to put them into practice are important activities of Sai Centers. The SSSWF (Sri Sathya Sai World Foundation) governs all functions of the SSSIO, working with the Prasanthi Council to accomplish the administration of the SSSIO. The SSSWF is registered as a 501(c)(3) public charitable foundation in California, USA.

• Reason for the change: Begin providing a suitable description of the Sri Sathya Sai International Organization (SSSIO).

The current page is an awful stub for it. I am a past officer of the SSSCIO. I have tried hard to have every neutral. If something is offensive or not neutral, please point out the issue.

• References supporting change: Here is the URL of the SSSIO: https://www.sathyasai.org/about-us/organisation

DavidGries (talk) 16:36, 29 September 2023 (UTC)

 Not done and not likely to be done. The requested text "Center activities revolve around what Sathya Sai Baba has called three complementary paths to liberation: devotion to God; action or duty, expressed as selfless service; and spiritual knowledge. Sathya Sai Baba has called truth, right conduct, peace, love, and nonviolence the five guiding principles of the movement; and the study of these universal human values and learning to put them into practice are important activities of Sai Centers." is promotional in nature. Regards,  Spintendo  20:45, 29 September 2023 (UTC)

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