Talk:Joan Dant

A fact from Joan Dant appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 26 July 2020 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that pedlar Joan Dant died a millionaire?

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Did you know nomination[edit]

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The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:25, 22 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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~~... that well before the Industrial Revolution, female entrepreneur Joan Dant died a millionaire?~~ Source: ODNB https://doi.org/10.1093/ref:odnb/53237 and Spufford The great reclothing of rural England : petty chapmen and their wares in the seventeenth century https://books.google.com/books?id=9YGxAwAAQBAJ&dq page 46
- ALT1:... that pedlar Joan Dant died a millionaire? Source: Spufford The great reclothing of rural England : petty chapmen and their wares in the seventeenth centuryhttps://books.google.com/books?id=9YGxAwAAQBAJ&dq page 46
- ALT2:... that Joan Dant, a 17th-century Quaker and pedlar, left the modern equivalent of almost £1.5 million in her will? Source: ODNB https://doi.org/10.1093/ref:odnb/53237 and Spufford The great reclothing of rural England : petty chapmen and their wares in the seventeenth century https://books.google.com/books?id=9YGxAwAAQBAJ&dq page 46

Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Atatürk's Residence and Railway Museum
Comment: Hooks all variations on a theme, the millionaire figure is derived from the stat: £9,150 (equivalent to about £1,807,125 in 2023)

Moved to mainspace by Mujinga (talk). Self-nominated at 09:13, 16 June 2020 (UTC).[reply]

Alt3:... that Joan Dant was one of the few female entrepreneurs trading in England before the Industrial Revolution? ODNB

New enough, long enough, cited, passes earwig. Hooks are boring. I'm suggesting a new hook. --evrik ^(talk) 02:52, 15 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

ALT3 is short enough, interesting, cited, and in the article. Verified evrik's review of the rest of the criteria. ~hue sat lum 03:58, 18 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, I came by to promote this, but the article doesn't say anything about being one of the few female entrepreneurs trading in England, just one of the few female entrepreneurs before the Industrial Revolution. I added a cite to the Oxford Reference to verify the DYK hook, although I do not have access to that source; please check that it's there. Also, the article is an WP:ORPHAN; it needs to be linked in at least one other Wikipedia page so it won't get an orphan tag. Yoninah (talk) 22:46, 18 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Yoninah, “ mostly in the countryside around London.” --evrik ^(talk) 14:07, 19 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Evrik: sorry, I don't understand what you mean. Yoninah (talk) 15:21, 19 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

All the elements of tge hook are in the article. im not sure whats missing here.[1] --evrik ^(talk) 00:21, 20 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Evrik: The hook says: ... that Joan Dant was one of the few female entrepreneurs trading in England before the Industrial Revolution?. The article says: Dant is regarded as one of the few female entrepreneurs trading before the Industrial Revolution about whom records exist. The article doesn't say anything about her being one of the few female entrepreneurs trading in England. Yoninah (talk) 20:07, 20 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Alt3a:... that Joan Dant was one of the few female entrepreneurs trading in London before the Industrial Revolution? ODNB
@Yoninah: how is that? --evrik ^(talk) 00:15, 21 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Evrik: you need to add in London to the article, with a cite. Personally, I don't understand what's wrong with ALT1. Yoninah (talk) 10:33, 21 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Alt1 says very little. --evrik ^(talk) 14:48, 21 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks to Mujinga, I just added ODNB to my Wikipedia Library Card. Looking at the source, it says, she is also a rare example of a female capitalist from before the industrial revolution. I think you should follow this source more exactly, not calling her a "female entrepreneur", and not mentioning London. Yoninah (talk) 13:03, 21 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Alt4:... that Joan Dant was "a rare example of a female capitalist from before the Industrial Revolution"? --evrik ^(talk) 14:48, 21 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Oh that's good you have ODNB access Yoninah! I'm still a fan of ALT1, I think it's pretty hooky. Nice one for the alts, ALT4 seems good although it feels slightly weird to have a direct quote from a dictionary but if everyone else is happy then I'm fine with it too. By definition female entrepreneur and female capitalist seem to be pretty much the same, I guess I prefer "entrepreneur" since Dant was living before capitalism as we know it. Mujinga (talk) 19:28, 21 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I also find ALT1 hookier. I'm going ahead and approving ALT1, which is verified and cited inline. Rest of review per Evrik. ALT1 good to go. Yoninah (talk) 23:00, 21 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I really don't like Alt1. Lot's of people die millionaires. That hook is the least best of all the hooks. --evrik ^(talk) 23:37, 21 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]