Talk:SwellRT

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Notability[edit]

@Samer.hc: I didn't want to leave you hanging, so I have decided to start the discussion about references. I don't know, for how much time, I will be available over the coming days. But I will stop by as I go along.

For me the problem is, I am not seeing reliable sources that are independent of the topic, which also discuss the topic directly and in detail (GNG, and WP:ORGIN). This would be the evidence for notability. I was going to list each reference over time, beginning with the first ten or fifteen, and characterize them, but I don't have that kind of time right now. So, maybe the best approach is for you to please post here three references you think satisfy the notability criteria. Then we can discuss them.

I am coming from the perspective that not all 56 references are meant to be evidence of notability per WP:NRV. Thanks in advance. ---Steve Quinn (talk) 06:03, 3 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks @Steve Quinn:. Let me try to provide a few references that, to my understanding, satisfy notability. Please let me know your opinion:

* A search in google scholar by "SwellRT" (https://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=%22swellrt%22) throws 3 peer-reviewed research articles, 1 of them with authors related to the project, but 2 of them with independent authors.

* There are two independent references that featured SwellRT: Horizon (Online magazine) (https://horizon-magazine.eu/article/collaboration-doesn-t-give-others-license-distribute-your-stuff_en.html) and CORDIS (in 6 languages) (http://cordis.europa.eu/news/rcn/128080_en.html).

* There are two independent organizations that picked SwellRT as a forefront project in the decentralization field. One was the Internet Archive, which invited 29 technologies to be showcased in the large event "Decentralized Web Summit" (with a first invite-only day with those technologies representatives) (https://decentralizedweb.net/learn-more/). The second was the advocacy group Redecentralize.org, which has selected 23 decentralization projects to interview their founders (http://redecentralize.org/interviews/). --Samer.hc (talk) 17:39, 5 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Samer.hc: Sorry I didn't see this sooner. I thought I was checking back frequently. Apparently I missed a few days. I will look at these soon. Thanks for posting these. Steve Quinn (talk) 04:49, 10 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Steve Quinn: Ping? :) --Samer.hc (talk) 23:13, 2 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Samer.hc: Sorry it took this long to get back to you. The articles on Google Scholar do not cover SwellRT. In the two that have PDFs available, SwellRT is only mentioned once in each document. This is not significant coverage. But do not despair! The Horizon article and CORDIS article do describe (and review?) what this does in general terms, which is good. Decentralized Web Summit also gives a description in general terms. So, I am not sure yet. Let me think about this.

So, the sources besides the Google Scholar sources are the ones that might satisfy coverage requirements that indicate notability. I am leaning toward removing the notability tag. It seems this "algorithm" is widely used. Thanks for efforts, and sorry about the delay. ---Steve Quinn (talk) 01:16, 3 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Samer.hc: The line that I noticed, which seems to be written like advertisement is this: "SwellRT enables the rapid development of mobile and web apps, providing common backend features (storage, user management...) and facilitating real-time collaboration with federation." Would you mind rewriting this line (in the introduction)? ---Steve Quinn (talk) 01:23, 3 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I removed the "third party" issue tag ---Steve Quinn (talk) 01:23, 3 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks a lot @Steve Quinn:. I have re-written the introduction to remove the advertisement tone, as requested. I hope that is solved now, please let me know otherwise. With respect to Google Scholar, in the time we have been discussing this, the same search now throws a 4th article mentioning it :) One of the two with PDF available ("Building Real-Time Collaborative Applications with a Federated Architecture") is a paper describing the process of building SwellRT. It is true the term "SwellRT" is just mentioned once, although it is to refer to its name in the public repository (it says "The development has been tracked and released in an open and public source code repository [22]"). Thanks a lot for helping out, let me know if I can do something else to remove the other issue tags. Samer.hc (talk) 15:28, 17 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Steve Quinn: Ping? (& happy news year!) :) Samer.hc (talk) 13:25, 7 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Samer.hc: I removed the tags. Thanks for everything. Happy new year to you as well. Regards. ---Steve Quinn (talk) 15:48, 7 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]