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... that social media influencer Andrew Tate described himself as "absolutely a misogynist"?. Per WP:DYKBLP, Hooks that unduly focus on negative aspects of living persons should be avoided.

If we go to the article, the statement has two sources. The latter, from The Independent, states In a video shared to his new website on Wednesday (23 August), Tate claimed that many of the criticisms levied at him are based on clips that have been “taken out of context”.

There was a discussion at Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_198#Andrew_Tate_nomination where this was decided upon, but of the four editors who stated this was a good hook (Courtesy ping @Guerillero, Valereee, Lightburst, and Bome sall 1:), I don't know if any saw Tate's statement about out of context quotes. Sincerely, Dilettante 18:14, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I have reported this casual disregard for both WP:BLP policy and common sense at WP:ANI. AndyTheGrump (talk) 18:24, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think the issue was discussed quite a bit. Tate said he was "absolutely a misogynist" and that isn't a denial -- Guerillero ^{Parlez Moi} 18:27, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

the quote from the Independent doesn't and wasn't meant to directly address this quote. There's nothing undue about the hook, it represents the center and vast majority of RS coverage – especially when you consider that we kindly did not mention the sex trafficking charge. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 18:29, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

But he does criticize out of context quotes, which this is. Sincerely, Dilettante 18:40, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You can’t slander me because I will state right now that I am absolutely sexist and I’m absolutely a misogynist, and I have fuck you money and you can’t take that away is the full quote and there is no indication that he has ever disputed it. A blanket "some things are out of context" from the day before the article was written isn't refuting it. -- Guerillero ^{Parlez Moi} 18:45, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Dilettante, can you point to something that shows us this is out of context? I mean, did he say, "I was in a toxic relationship, and I was thinking 'You can’t slander me because I will state right now that I am absolutely sexist and I’m absolutely a misogynist, and I have fuck you money and you can’t take that away", and then I realized it was a me problem, not a them problem' or something? Valereee (talk) 18:51, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The video is self-contradictory. I don't have the time or the inclination to watch the full hour and find the quote, but he also says "No woman is alleging that I am a bad person or misogynist" [1] (not an RS), and that "he believes in "protecting women" and "championing women," and believes that "a man has certain roles in society, and a woman has certain roles in society.""[2] Whether or not I doubt the existence of his misogyny, it's certainly more complex than the quote reveals. It really wouldn't be hard to blurb something about his kickboxing or something else uncontroversial instead. Sincerely, Dilettante 19:05, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Given the long and thorough discussion at WT:DYK, I'm inclined to say that this hook is fine as is. Schwede 66 19:18, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'd be fine with an independent party deleting my report and subsequent replies. It's clear it won't be changed or pulled and this discussion (and the parallel ANI) is generating more heat than light. Sincerely, Dilettante 19:20, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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1743 – War of the Austrian Succession – Habsburg ruler Maria Theresa was crowned Queen of Bohemia after driving French troops from the territory. — All by herself? Suggest "War of the Austrian Succession: Habsburg ruler Maria Theresa was crowned Queen of Bohemia after Austrian forces drove French troops from the territory." - Sca (talk) 13:05, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Done (some time ago) Schwede 66 18:38, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]