Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Television

User making large changes to TV shows

Hello, I noticed The Best Baker is making a large number of changes to TV show articles, you can see their contribs here.

The edits are tripping a large number of vandalism filters. As far as I can tell, it is a lot of category changes and removing episodes from main articles to their own newly created, dedicated articles.

It seems above board, but worried it might be a sock given that the account is less than a week old and making significant changes. Would like an extra pair of eyes to take a look at the edits. (To the user I do not mean to wp:BITE, I am just making sure I am covering my bases, please take no offense.) Classicwiki (talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 02:13, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

Some of the category changes seem fine, but they've created a lot of new categories I'm less certain about. The episode splits seem okay based on size (though WP:PROPERSPLIT should be followed). Also, the lack of edit summaries is not great. I'm going to WP:AGF and guess this is just a zealous new editor; maybe just use edit summaries so it's easier to follow what's going on and provide feedback? RunningTiger123 (talk) 05:03, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

Per MOS:TVSPLIT and Wikipedia:Article splitting (television), not enough to split into a List of Episodes page until an article is between 50kB to 60kB of readable prose or 50 and 60 episodes. — YoungForever^(talk) 05:29, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

I have reverted one of these list of episode splits, at Star Wars: The Bad Batch, per MOS:TVSPLIT. - adamstom97 (talk) 09:17, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

I agree with that. I'd also be partial to reverting all of the other page splits. -- Alex_21 _TALK 11:04, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

Revert as undiscussed splits, and also WP:Copying within Wikipedia violations if there is not the proper attributions. Geraldo Perez (talk) 18:13, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

Season article notability

I am not sure how The Rookie season 5 and The Rookie season 6 passed WP:AFC when there is only 1–2 sentences under Production with 1–2 reliable sources (rest are just ratings) and no critical response. Wasn't there a general consensus on this project that season articles need to pass WP:GNG and WP:NFTV to warrant a season article? — YoungForever^(talk) 13:36, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

I brought this up a while ago on the MOS:TV talkpage when I found six season articles that all passed the AFC process with only a cast list, episode summaries, and ratings. I'd say that The Rookie article you linked definitely don't pass WP:NTV. I'd even go as far to say that 1-3 don't pass it either. Although they do contain more than just a few sentences, it's just a duplication of information that already exists in the parent article which isn't large enough in it's current state to meet the requirements of MOS:TVSPLIT and could easily continue to exist in the parent article only. TheDoctorWho (talk) 16:25, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

It is the the same IP address that been creating a bunch of season articles, but has recently IP hopped to 82.46.25.83. — YoungForever^(talk) 16:34, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

I left a message on the AFC talk page. TheDoctorWho (talk) 16:46, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

I'd assume to the average AFC reviewer the amount of sources makes the seasons look notable, but the television ratings themselves should vary rarely be included in determining that unless they're independently notable (i.e. they set a viewing figure record, etc.) TheDoctorWho (talk) 16:35, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

Yep, television ratings with just ratings on the episode table and ratings table are not enough to pass notability. — YoungForever^(talk) 17:37, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

In this case the mover was not an actual AfC reviewer but the point is still valid. I personally would not have accepted but I can see how someone would think the amount of sources built up to notability. Generally if I see a spin out I decline unless they have tried to get a consensus on the article talk page, and I know others do similar but not all. Cheers KylieTastic (talk) 17:43, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

Draft:All American (TV series) season 2 and Draft:All American (TV series) season 3 are attempting to get accepted for AFC when both clearly do not meet WP:GNG and WP:NFTV at all. — YoungForever^(talk) 19:54, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

I declined both of those drafts per above. kpgamingz (rant me) 00:37, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

Both got resubmitted again without any improvements and declined by another reviewer. — YoungForever^(talk) 07:41, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

 Update: 82.46.25.83 asked IAmJustPete (who also have a history of creating season articles that clearly fail WP:GNG and WP:NFTV) as shown here to create season articles. And then went on to attempt to get Draft:All American (TV series) season 4, Draft:All American (TV series) season 5, and Draft:All American (TV series) season 6 accepted for AFC (still do not meet the requirements of WP:GNG and WP:NFTV.) — YoungForever^(talk) 18:20, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

I don't even know what to say at this point. I declined one of the submission and marked the other for review. Both drafts are all missing a production section. I'm sure the IP user and Pete are doing this in good faith but they really need to read the guidelines from MOS:TV before resubmitting those season article drafts. kpgamingz (rant me) 19:03, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

They may just choose to ignore MOS:TV guidelines. — YoungForever^(talk) 19:13, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

IP users, I mostly understand. They're not fully part of the Wiki community so knowledge of notability and MOS isn't 100% a concern for them. As for Pete, it's really whether or not if they'll eventually follow the guidelines and, hopefully, become a big helper for WP:TV, or continue in this path and keep getting declined. @IAmJustPete: If you would like to get the drafts accepted, please listen to the feedbacks that me and the many users here given you here and in the draft submission comments. kpgamingz (rant me) 21:10, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

I just declined the season 4 page for the series which was also submitted through AFC. TheDoctorWho (talk) 03:36, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

They may get resubmitted again without fixing the problems in an attempt to get another reviewer to accept AFC. I seen this happened before. Not a season article, but an article about an actress: Draft:Raegan Revord. — YoungForever^(talk) 03:52, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

I did make a note of NTV and what we generally expect to see at a season article in my decline comments. Hopefully any future reviewers, would note the previous reason. TheDoctorWho (talk) 04:18, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

The IP address removed your comments, but was reverted. The IP address have been resubmitting multiple Drafts without any improvements. They are trying to remove any indication of having them declined before. Little that they know, when editors' View history can see them. — YoungForever^(talk) 08:00, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

Not a season article, but Draft:List of All American characters also fails WP:GNG was just resubmitted few days ago without any improvements from last time it was declined. — YoungForever^(talk) 23:23, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

 Update: Draft:All American (TV series) season 5 trying to get resubmitted again without any improvements. — YoungForever^(talk) 22:44, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

 Another update: Draft:The Equalizer (2021 TV series) season 1, Draft:The Equalizer (2021 TV series) season 2, Draft:The Equalizer (2021 TV series) season 3, Draft:The Equalizer (2021 TV series) season 4 have all been resubmitted to WP:AFC when they all failed WP:GNG and WP:NFTV. Also, 3 out of 4 them have no Production nor Critical response info at all. Draft:List of All American: Homecoming episodes is recently submitted to WP:AFC which also fails WP:GNG, WP:NFTV, MOS:TVSPLIT, Wikipedia:Article splitting (television), WP:SPLIT, WP:SUMMARY, WP:SPINOUT, WP:LENGTH. — YoungForever^(talk) 21:57, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

@Kp2016rockin: and @TheDoctorWho: All the Draft season articles of The Equalizer (2021 TV series) have now passed AFC without any improvements since the last submit of AFC. They cannot be Draftify because they were Dratified in the past before already. — YoungForever^(talk) 16:00, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

Apologies, your earlier message must have slipped my watchlist or I would have declined them myself last night and saved myself a bit of time. Reading your message the first time, I originally thought that you had a technical error in moving the pages. I was able to move them using the regular move feature. After re-reading it, you may have been referencing WP:DONTDRAFTIFY/WP:DRAFTOBJECT? If so, I may have accidentally violated that and won't object if someone reverts the move based on that. Either way they're back in the draft space for the moment. If the draft moves are reverted, I suppose are next option is WP:AFD. TheDoctorWho^Public (talk) 16:48, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

I just declined the All American article since it was still under review. TheDoctorWho^Public (talk) 16:55, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

The IP address and IAmJustPete are still WP:NOTGETTINGIT. They are deliberately ignoring guidelines at this point, repeatedly resubmitting to AFC without any improvements. Draft:List of All American: Homecoming episodes is trying to pass AFC. — YoungForever^(talk) 17:27, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

I just declined that submission on the grounds of MOS:TVSPLIT. TheDoctorWho (talk) 18:13, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

There is also Draft:List of All American characters which is mostly plot points that belong on episode summaries, not character descriptions. No improvements since the last time it was submitted. — YoungForever^(talk) 23:30, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

At this point, just keep declining the submissions and get admin help with the AfCs. kpgamingz (rant me) 18:54, 21 May 2024 (UTC)

courtesy ping ToadetteEdit as they were the AfC reviewer who accepted them. KylieTastic (talk) 17:32, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

Hi there. In the first place, it feels that there are all fine. However I should be considering stopping reviews of TV seasons. Toadette^Edit! 17:52, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

I would be in favor of returning them back to draftspace or nominating tnem to AfD. Toadette^Edit! 17:55, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

I'm not necessarily asking that you stop reviewing them, just that you familiarize yourself with MOS:TV (specifically, MOS:TVSPLIT) and WP:NTV.

Grey's Anatomy season 17 is a great example of the information that an exceptional season article should contain. Now that is a featured article and I know not all television seasons receive that type of coverage, so on the slightly lower end of good articles there's Magnum P.I. (2018 TV series) season 1. At the absolute bare minimum, articles like Law & Order season 21 and Cobra Kai season 1 (providing a permaalink because I do plan on eventually getting that to GA status) are examples of Start to C-class articles that still manage to prove notability with the information available. TheDoctorWho (talk) 20:56, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

Per MOS:TVSPLIT,

There should be real world content to accompany any additional split that is not simply a duplication of the main page's content (e.g., reception specifically for that season, or that episode; production information for the season or the episode), or duplication of the season page's content (e.g., an episode article that contains one or two reviews, and used the overall production information about the season that isn't specific to any one episode). This is because notability is not inherited from a parent article, and all articles must stand on their own. So be careful when splitting pages too soon; if the material for the new article is too short to provide encyclopedic coverage of the subject, or would simply duplicate the summary that would be left behind, then it may be too soon to move.

— YoungForever^(talk) 22:33, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

Good article reassessment for Gethin Jones

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Requested move at Talk:Gunge#Requested move 2 May 2024

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Requested move at Talk:List of NBCUniversal television programs#Requested move 16 April 2024

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Dennō Senshi Porygon

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