Anyone Working On Granting Permissions? (Auto Wiki Browser)
I was browsing this Page and noticed that no Administrator was tending to the requests, I saw a request that has been pending since the 1st Of March, It is not a protocol to do this, but This is a game-changing tool, It is pretty important, even if this may not be regular, Someone should check up on the Request page at least twice a month
I check on it every week or so when I remember, though lately due to forces outside of my control I am not always notified when a new request is made. Primefac (talk) 14:05, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, At least You try though :D Arotparaarms (talk) 16:46, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
New user script to detect removal of warnings on User Talk page
Howdy folks. I just created User:Novem Linguae/Scripts/UserTalkErasedSectionsDetector.js, which seems like it might be useful to WP:PERM admins. It will alert you with a yellow banner at the top of a user talk page if there is a lot of self-deletion going on on the user talk page. This could be a red flag for a user deleting warnings without archiving them. Feel free to leave feedback on the user script's talk page. Happy editing. –Novem Linguae (talk) 12:00, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Ooooh, I just added it.
Warning: This user has removed content from this page (probably without archiving it) in 49 of the last 500 revisions. Click here to see diffs.
Then there's a dropdown list of all the difs, linked with the edit summaries. That's cool. Thanks Novem! Hey man im josh (talk) 12:45, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Issue with Requests for permissions/New page reviewer?
In spite of being logged in, I get a message in a green box that reads Sorry, unregistered users cannot be granted permissions due to technical restrictions. Please create an account in order to request user account permissions. I'm IP-block exempt and wonder if that might be the issue (but I get the same message with my VPN temporarily off)?
I had the same issue during a previous drive, and I just worked around it by manually added myself in a page edit. If this is a general issue, however, it might be worth addressing at the source. Since NPP is a relatively thankless task, I think Wikipedia should make it as easy as possible for anyone plausibly qualified to have a trial go—especially during a backlog drive.
Admittedly clueless, however, about the underlying technical infrastructure —
Prob something wrong with the pagenotice, are you still able to edit the box below that, or is it read only? — xaosfluxTalk 22:32, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There should be a CSS that hides that from you, be sure you are not blocking scripts. — xaosfluxTalk 22:34, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I have not attempted to make any changes, but it appears that, as an autoconfirmed user, I could could make edits basically anywhere.
My usual browser is Firefox, and I have multiple ad/script–blocking add-ons installed. I get the same issue, however, on Safari, which I have not loaded up with the same kind of privacy protection. Patrick J. Welsh (talk) 22:47, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Also, there is no "box below": this disqualifying message cuts directly to the list of individual requests for permissions.
I believe I can still add myself, but only by manually adapting the format of the requests above—which I think is not how this is supposed to work and appear. Patrick J. Welsh (talk) 22:57, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
A screenshot could be helpful for diagnosing here, if you're willing. –Novem Linguae (talk) 00:11, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Just responded by email. Could not get Wikipedia to accept my screenshot. Patrick J. Welsh (talk) 00:43, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Just for troubleshooting
Per your email response, the default screenshot filename was indeed the problem. Hope this helps! Patrick J. Welsh (talk) 00:53, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That's helpful, thank you. Bear with me while I techno babble a little bit, which may help me or someone else solve this.
From that screenshot we can tell 1) you're for sure logged in, 2) it's not an edit notice that's the problem but rather the template Wikipedia:Requests for permissions/Subpage.
From a technical perspective, anything that is only to be viewed by someone with X perm is given an HTML class of something like anonymous-show or user-show, both used here. These are selectively hidden through some wizardry in MediaWiki:Common.css#L-193 and related .css files.
If your ad blockers or noscript browser extensions were interfering with this process, I'd expect there to be two green boxes there, like I get when I visit the page with ?safemode=1 on. It's very interesting that you're logged in but you do not see the "guidelines for granting" box.
Can you try blanking User:PatrickJWelsh/common.css and see if that does anything? Right now you have JavaScript in this CSS file so the file is broken and won't run.
Can you also try visiting the safemode=1 link above and tell me which 1 or 2 boxes you see? –Novem Linguae (talk) 01:29, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Maybe try temporarily disabling your privacy extensions in your browser and see if that does anything? –Novem Linguae (talk) 06:28, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It seems to look like it should now. No idea what the issue was; did not change any settings. I'd be happy to participate in further diagnostics, but probably that's not a great use of our time if no one else has reported similar problems. Thanks for your attention to the issue! Patrick J. Welsh (talk) 19:00, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Shortcuts to criteria for granting & revoking permissions
In short, what do you believe to be the best format for shortcuts to the criteria for granting and revocation of permissions?
Full disclosure, most of these redirects were created by me after I noticed Joe Roe had created WP:NPRCRITERIA, but I went with using "CRITERIA" in the shortcuts. This is the table I'm working with at the moment for shortcuts:
@SilverLocust reached out to me about these redirects I've created and suggested that a format such as WP:TPEGRANT, WP:NPRGRANT, and so on. I'm not sure if that makes the most sense, based on the granting guidelines listed for admins at Wikipedia:Administrators' guide/Granting and revoking user rights, but SilverLocust made the argument that the criteria for granting, as opposed to the admin granting guideline pages, would be the primary target. WP:TPEGRANT is the outlier, but it's the oldest of these redirects by far. I would have ironed this out sooner probably had I realized that WP:NPRCRITERIA used a different naming scheme instead of just running with that.
I don't ultimately care what we settle on, but I believe shortcuts for the criteria for granting and revocation are useful, so I'd like to establish a consistent format and would appreciate feedback on the matter. Hey man im josh (talk) 13:19, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I think the status quo is fine. Nothing strikes me as so problematic that it'd be worth editing all these pages and redirects to change them. WP:TPEGRANT appears to be the only inconsistent one, and WP:TPECRITERIA already exists, so I think that's fine too. –Novem Linguae (talk) 13:50, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I particularly had an issue with WP:PMCRITERIA, since Wikipedia:Page mover has a longstanding shortcut that stands for "page mover criteria", but refers to the criteria for use (namely of suppress-redirect) — WP:PMRC/WP:PM/C/WP:PMVRC (because WP:PMR and WP:PMVR stand for "page mover"; WP:PM and WP:PMC were already existing shortcuts for other pages).
And because these user group information pages are written for a general audiences – not just for admins patrolling WP:PERM — I don't think they should assume that the "guidelines for granting" a user group is a predominant set of "criteria" over both criteria for using a right (e.g., WP:ROLLBACKUSE) and criteria for revocation — given there is a highly unambiguous and concise option GRANT right there.
(Disregard the bother of editing those pages, I'm perfectly willing to add GRANT shortcuts to them. The status quo before April was just WP:TPEGRANT from 2014 and WP:NPRCRITERIA from 2023. My earlier discussion with Josh can be found here.) SilverLocust💬 17:59, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You are invited to join the discussion at Template talk:New Page Reviewer granted § Survey on what bullets/tips/Discord links to include. –Novem Linguae (talk) 19:04, 1 April 2024 (UTC)
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