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Football[edit]

David Pérez (footballer)[edit]

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Sources are predominantly interviews of the player or routine transfer news, and aren't suggestive of notability for this footballer. As far as I can ascertain, he has never played professionally – neither in Sweden nor in Italy (including Atalanta's under-23 team). I'm not opposed to draftification if there's potential for the subject to be notable in the near future. (I should also note that the previous AfD was about a different person, so is impertinent to this discussion.) ^Complex/_Rational 20:06, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Qëndrim Ismajli[edit]

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Seems like a case of WP:TOOSOON as I am struggling to find WP:SIGCOV on this Football Superleague of Kosovo player. Contested PROD. JTtheOG (talk) 17:39, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Tahani Al-Yanbaawi[edit]

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WP:TOOSOON for this footballer article probably. All I found was this transactional announcement and a few sentences here. Contested PROD. JTtheOG (talk) 17:34, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 19:51, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Tommy Sharp[edit]

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I moved this page to draftspace with the reason "No evidence of notability in sources in article, are there better sources (independent sources which discuss him in depth?)". It was moved back to mainspace with the addition of a primary source from his team Livingston, but there still seem to be no good reliable independent sources with significant attention for this player[1], just passing mentions in match reports. Fram (talk) 09:12, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Draftify – WP:TOOSOON. Svartner (talk) 13:30, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Draft per Svartner, per nom, if it is messed with, you can easily move lock and salt the article until he has played more. In a better state, etc. Govvy (talk) 19:12, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Florencio Badelic Jr.[edit]

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I'll admit that I'm a bit unsure about this article. There are a lot of citations in the article, but all of them are routine and/or match reports. There seems to be little or no WP:SIGCOV here. Anwegmann (talk) 00:15, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete due to WP:SIGCOV issues 104.7.152.180 (talk) 13:32, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:33, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep – Decent coverage in local media, even though it is from a not very popular football center, the article seems sufficiently based. Svartner (talk) 19:54, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yaroslav Kysil[edit]

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The only reference I can find on him is, unfortunately, related to the death of his father in the Russo-Ukrainian War. On his own, nothing but match reports and routine coverage—far short of WP:SIGCOV. Anwegmann (talk) 00:19, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:33, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 19:55, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Monirul Molla[edit]

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I can't find anything beyond match and roster reports—some three years old—that briefly mention him. This may be a WP:TOOSOON situation, but realistically, I think it just fails WP:SIGCOV and WP:GNG. Anwegmann (talk) 00:23, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Per nom. Poor and unreliable sources failing WP:GNG and WP:SIGCOV. The player also does not meet the basic criteria of notability. RangersRus (talk) 13:02, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:33, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 19:56, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Soccer at the 1986 International Cerebral Palsy Games[edit]

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No evidence of notability found. Tournament has no article, match results are missing for many games, sources are databases, location is a small village. Fram (talk) 15:02, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. The location notwithstanding, there is no demonstrable coverage of the event, failing GNG. Geschichte (talk) 07:55, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Location is important (as part of the rationale) as the village has only a very small football stadium[2], so it's not as if this was an event at some major location with potentially thousands of visitors and an increased chance of good coverage. If this tournament had been played at e.g. the King Baudouin Stadium, then it would seem more likely that there was national or international coverage we just haven't found yet. Fram (talk) 08:08, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete fails WP:GNG. Joseph2302 (talk) 08:08, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:32, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Stefan Savić (Serbian footballer)[edit]

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This men's footballer, who seems to have a minor career, last played one appearance for BSK Borca in 2016 before disappearing from the football world. Using his name in Cyrillic (Стефан Савић), my Google search exclusively came up with that Montenegrin footballer; nothing about the Serb with the same birth name. The only reliable source regarding AfD target seems to be Sportski Žurnal when he played for FK Sloga Petrovac na Mlavi in 2015. However, after translation, it's only a passing mention in squad list which definitely doesn't count as significant coverage. Article fails WP:GNG overall. Clara A. Djalim (talk) 11:00, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:32, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 19:56, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of Soccer Bowl broadcasters[edit]

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WP:NOTTVGUIDE and WP:LISTCRUFT applies. Fails WP:LISTN. Additionally WP:NOTDATABASE. Of the sources per WP:RS; besides unsourced, one of those is a blogspot post; of the three offline sources, one is a personal opinion of one of the announcers, anything supporting this list is minimal. Another offline source is an announcement about a deal. A majority of those are WP:PRIMARY, forums and dead links besides the YouTube posts, not offering anything to assert notability. A small section in a main article about broadcasters will be more appropriate than a list about broadcasters. WP:ATD will be a merge to Soccer Bowl. SpacedFarmer (talk) 09:05, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:32, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per failing WP:LISTN. I appreciate the WP:ATD from the nom, but nothing in the article suggests it can be moved to the main. This is a list format made with WP:OR and WP:LISTCRUFT. A brief search couldn't even yield the normal WP:ROUTINE press releases I'd get. Conyo14 (talk) 21:08, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Alexandre Castaing[edit]

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Several searches in both English and French came up with nothing but match reports, databases, and bit references with no substance. This player certainly exists, but he lacks WP:SIGCOV. Anwegmann (talk) 02:25, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 19:58, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: I am having a hard time finding enough coverage to meet WP:GNG. Please ping me if sources are found. JTtheOG (talk) 19:59, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Martin Polniš[edit]

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Young Slovak footballer who just started his career on the unremarkable second tier. Fails GNG in that a search yielded no significant and/or independent sources whatsoever. Contested draft. I don't see this being more notable in 6 months time. Geschichte (talk) 21:17, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no decent coverage found. The only source giving him more than a passing mention is FC ŠTK 1914 Šamorín, which is obviously not independent. Creator has a possible WP:COI as, in their whole time here, they have only written about Polniš who, on the face of it, seems to be nothing more than your average semi-pro youth footballer. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 22:00, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. He may become notable one day, but nothing indicates at the moment. Svartner (talk) 00:29, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 19:57, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete—Poorly formatted and lacks WP:SIGCOV. Anwegmann (talk) 21:56, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom, also is there a WP:COI with user Pplbk with this article and the other article FC ŠTK 1914 Šamorín... Something feels iffy. Govvy (talk) 22:01, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ladislav Nagy (footballer)[edit]

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Slovak footballer who played 3 minutes on the first tier before dipping into the second tier and then disappearing. Fails GNG in that there is a lack of significant and/or independent sources for a biography. Geschichte (talk) 21:15, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 19:57, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete—Possibly WP:TOOSOON... Anwegmann (talk) 21:56, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Scott Michaels[edit]

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Fails WP:BIO and WP:GNG, with no significant secondary coverage in RS. The best I could find in a WP:BEFORE search was a few interviews in essentiallysports.com, and the rest is social media, press releases, and some coverage in WP:THESUN and WP:DAILYEXPRESS. Strong aroma of UPE here, including this addition today of a selfie, unavailable on the source claimed at Commons.

Please note that the first AFD was about a writer and filmmaker, and not about the football businessman. Wikishovel (talk) 19:52, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. Obviously promotional. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 19:57, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete—Almost feels like self-promotion. Anwegmann (talk) 21:55, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Does feel somewhat promo, agree with nomination, this should be a straight up delete. Govvy (talk) 21:57, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Per above. Svartner (talk) 13:32, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Šimon Horniak[edit]

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Now, this is a Slovak footballer who seems to fail WP:GNG massively. Had a first-tier career that lasted one or two minutes, and nothing in the way of biographical sourcing. Geschichte (talk) 16:40, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Per nom. Svartner (talk) 09:55, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – I can't find any coverage of him on Slovak news websites. SME sub-website My Nitra is only a passing mention in squad announcement, and very unlikely to coverage due to being paywalled. Clara A. Djalim (talk) 10:30, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 19:56, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete—Fails WP:GNG and WP:SIGCOV. Anwegmann (talk) 21:54, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sergey Vabishchevich[edit]

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Despite a few games for Dinamo Brest many years ago, I can't find any WP:SIGCOV of the footballer of this name. I found kick-off.by and football.by but neither of these are even close to significant. There is a basketball player with the same name but they are different people as the basketball player celebrates his birthday on 4 June. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 11:08, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 12:45, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 16:03, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete—Several games and then nothing at all. Fails WP:GNG. Anwegmann (talk) 21:55, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Artem Zhurko[edit]

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Has only played 20 minutes of football to date with no sign of meeting WP:GNG or WP:SPORTBASIC. I found only a trivial mention in Tribuna and 2 passing mentions in football.by when searching in Russian and Belarusian. The other Wikipedia projects only have trivial coverage of him. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 11:00, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 12:45, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Only sources are player profiles and I could not find anything else to meet WP:NFOOTY or WP:GNG. Cocobb8 (💬 talk • ✏️ contribs) 12:47, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 16:02, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete—Clearly fails WP:GNG. Anwegmann (talk) 21:53, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sudirman (footballer, born 1983)[edit]

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Footballer with brief career and with no evidence of WP:GNG or WP:SPORTBASIC being met. The best that I can find is Antara Foto, an image caption. Searching was made difficult by the fact that he shares his name with Piala Jenderal Sudirman, the name of a football competition. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 10:44, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 12:45, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 16:01, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete—Literally nothing here. Clearly fails WP:GNG and WP:SPORTBASIC. Anwegmann (talk) 21:53, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Does not meet the basic notability. Georgethedragonslayer (talk) 11:24, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Miroslav Hýll[edit]

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This AfD may be the same issue as with Kristína Panáková AfD back in November 2023, except it's about a former men's footballer. He has played hundred of career games in total and even appeared for his national team, but fails WP:GNG due to lack of in-depth coverage. I'm struggling to find enough sufficient sources as this article has been written terribly with possible dubious stories for years, so does corresponding Slovak Wikipedia, which would help copy over English article otherwise (I already checked and translated it). Clara A. Djalim (talk) 09:34, 26 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. I don't see the problem here. He played on a reasonably high level for many years, and the multitude of sources clearly chronicle what he achieved during his career, which was far from negligible. Dubious stories are subject to cleanup and not a matter for AFD. Geschichte (talk) 18:51, 26 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment – I don't understand Slovak to give an opinion, and the article in English is the best developed in relation to cs and sk, but the athlete appears to have good coverage in the local media. Svartner (talk) 03:34, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Have you once tried translating the corresponding article for such footballers? I found a lot of them to be far well-written from English article. Clara A. Djalim (talk) 09:08, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Article clearly needs additional cleanup and sources, but six international caps, high level football suggests there is far more to add. Govvy (talk) 07:52, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep - sufficient sources and a strong claim to notability. Giant Snowman 10:50, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep—Clearly meets WP:GNG. Anwegmann (talk) 21:52, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Josef Kopecký[edit]

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With only database source listed, the article of this one-time Olympics participant clearly fails WP:GNG. According to Results on Sports Reference, Kopecký was not in the top three winners of 1936 Summer Olympics. He also had not gained any medal record. My Google search came up with similar namesakes.

I would also consider footballer of the same name for deletion due to possible dubious info. I also couldn't find anything to verify his death; EU-football.info stated that he played two games each for Meteor Prague and now-defunct Bohemia national football team. Unlike the shooter, footballer has corresponding article on Czech Wikipedia but it's an unsourced stub.

Josef Kopecký (footballer) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

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Delete both - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 12:55, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect Josef Kopecký to Shooting at the 1936 Summer Olympics – Men's 25 metre rapid fire pistol, Delete Josef Kopecký (footballer). Couldn't find sufficient sources for either to pass WP:GNG. Suonii180 (talk) 16:02, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect Josef Kopecký to Shooting at the 1936 Summer Olympics – Men's 25 metre rapid fire pistol, Delete Josef Kopecký (footballer) per User:Suonii180. FromCzech (talk) 10:04, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Job Bogmis[edit]

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None of the sources used contribute to notability: #1, #3 are interviews, #4 is not an independent source (associated with the team of the University he was playing for), #2 does not show significant coverage. I could not find other sources to fulfill WP:GNG. Broc (talk) 07:41, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - I found [3], [4], [5], and [6] among many more Spanish sources.

This source "analysis" is infuriating and incorrect... all the sources have secondary coverage ("In Cameroon he spent all day working on whatever he could to help his large family. They had nothing left over. The ball was just entertainment... he has the African presence in his game. Dizzying power and potency... Bogmis has always been a believer, but his faith became more intense during lockdown... he was a figure in the UdeC title in youth football", "Originally from Yaoundé, the capital of the African country... a loan, the difficulties of the climate and language, the desire to return to his country during the pandemic and endless obstacles he had to overcome before his sweet present, the one that has him as one of the figures to follow in the 'B' during this 2022", "The story of Job Bogmis is that of a fighter full of dreams. He arrived in 2019 with three young people from Cameroon. They were all promised heaven, but some were left stranded in Temuco and he was the only one who continued in soccer... He speaks Spanish better and better, he no longer needs a translator", "the cold, the difficulties with the language and the few opportunities left him alone very soon. Today, at 22 years old, he dreams of being recognized for his talent, although his team is in last place in the Primera B standings... plays on the right wing, his pass is worth $200,000 and he was the last victim of verbal violence on the Chilean fields")

the reason the third source is "associated" with the team he played for was because it was from the same city... like seriously? Young player with onoging career in Chilean pro soccer that will definielt get many more sources in his ongoing pro career as well. Thanks, Das osmnezz (talk) 08:33, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep per sources above which show notability. Giant Snowman 13:00, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: The subject has received enough coverage to meet WP:GNG. ~~As Das osmnezz points out, source #4 is not associated with the UdeC team, but rather an independent publication: Diario Concepción [es].~~ JTtheOG (talk) 01:33, 26 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@JTtheOG that's not correct. The newspaper is fully owned by Universidad de Concepción, and the club is as well. No source in this article meets all criteria for notability: either they are not secondary, not independent, or don't show significant coverage. One single source from a university newspaper, even if it was independent (and it isn't!) is not enough to show notability. Broc (talk) 12:44, 26 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You are correct. That specific source is not independent. JTtheOG (talk) 18:09, 26 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep – Per all above. Svartner (talk) 08:27, 26 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Fails GNG. Far too many quotes in those articles. Claiming racist abuse doesn't give sigcov. Dougal18 (talk) 09:28, 26 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I provided secondary coverage from each source above... If I'm not mistaken, most articles about people are a mix of quotes with secondary coverage... I never said "claiming racist abuse gives sigcov" and even the source about that provides seocndary coverage of him as well as background info and important context... Young player with onoging career in Chilean pro soccer that will definielt get many more sources in his ongoing pro career as well. Thanks, Das osmnezz (talk) 21:19, 26 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep—Sources clearly show WP:SIGCOV. Anwegmann (talk) 21:51, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Just adding here my assessment of the sources used in the article; in my opinion none of them fulfill all the WP:GNG requirements. Broc (talk) 12:50, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Source	Independent?	Significant coverage?	Count source toward GNG?
Source assessment table:
https://chile.as.com/chile/2022/02/17/futbol/1645063190_412510.html	interview		✘ No
https://redgol.cl/chile/Job-Bogmis-reclama-tras-ser-victima-de-racismo-en-duelo-de-U.-de-Conce-ante-Wanderers-en-Primera-B-20230427-0023.html		specific racism episode	✘ No
https://www.emol.com/noticias/Deportes/2022/03/03/1048355/job-bogmis-camerun-futbol-udeconcepcion.html	interview		✘ No
https://www.diarioconcepcion.cl/deportes/2021/09/01/job-bogmis-marco-cuatro-goles-y-le-gusta-el-lila.html	not independent, publisher is the owner of the football club		✘ No
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Willian Forte[edit]

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Professional player with a career that started in 2019 and without any activity since 2022 [7]. There appears to be a spell at SE Palmeiras but I didn't find anything. Fails in WP:GNG and WP:SIGCOV. Svartner (talk) 08:04, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Non-notable topic due to a lack of significant coverage of the subject.—Alalch E. 10:17, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 12:53, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: No evidence of notability with almost no sourcing. Haruka Amaranth 13:53, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete—Nothing here. Fails WP:SIGCOV. Anwegmann (talk) 21:50, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

2022 Liga 1 U-16[edit]

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Same reason as Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2022 Liga 1 U-14. Quoting from there: "Football tournament for children supported by a couple of primary sources. Utterly insignificant within the football world, fails WP:SIGCOV". Geschichte (talk) 22:12, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – And delete for 2018 Liga 1 U-16, 2019 Liga 1 U-20, 2019 Liga 1 U-18, 2019 Liga 1 U-16, 2022 Liga 1 U-18. All fail flagrantly in WP:GNG, as they are editions of a youth competition with no relevance. Svartner (talk) 07:08, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 09:14, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Fails WP:NSEASONS, we should avoid low level youth football. Govvy (talk) 07:45, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Subject does not meet the WP:NSEASONS or WP:GNG because of a lack of significant, independent coverage from RS. Instagram posts don't cut it for notability. Let'srun (talk) 01:23, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete—Obviously fails WP:GNG. Anwegmann (talk) 22:00, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Myong Song-chol[edit]

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Article fails WP:GNG. Simione001 (talk) 03:14, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Is this the same Myong Song-chol that was elected to the parliament? BeanieFan11 (talk) 17:48, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 19:24, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Fails in WP:GNG and it doesn't seem possible to find out if the athlete has a relevant career in local politics. Svartner (talk) 03:37, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete—Not enough international appears to make up for lack of WP:SIGCOV. Anwegmann (talk) 21:50, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Jo Hye-hyok[edit]

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Article fails WP:GNG. Simione001 (talk) 03:11, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 19:24, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 22:04, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete—Nothing here. Fails WP:GNG and WP:SPORTBASIC. Anwegmann (talk) 21:49, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Jin In-chol[edit]

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Article fails WP:GNG. Simione001 (talk) 03:09, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Do we know his Korean name? BeanieFan11 (talk) 17:51, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Redirect to Football at the 1976 Summer Olympics – Men's team squads#North Korea. Giant Snowman 19:24, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect – As done in others similars AfD. Svartner (talk) 22:05, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect per above. Govvy (talk) 07:43, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect per above. Anwegmann (talk) 21:48, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Hey man im josh (talk) 19:33, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Gasper Crasto[edit]

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I am unable to find enough coverage of the subject to meet WP:GNG. Apart from a lot of trivial mentions, I found a few promotional pieces about his book (1, 2, 3), all of which let us know that the book "is available on Flipkart, and on Amazon for a price of Rs 650 in India, €14.23 in UK, and $14.90 in USA." JTtheOG (talk) 17:23, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Page seems like advertisement and WP:PROMO on the subject, likely for the sale of books he has written. The sources do not have any significant coverage on the subject as footballer or even as an author. None of his achievements have any great coverage worthy of notice in the media. This page fails WP:GNG. RangersRus (talk) 12:15, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Played football at the highest level in Goa, is that significant? Atlantic306 (talk) 20:41, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete I read through that, and half way through it blatantly felt PROMO, I would go as far to say as I feel this should be WP:G11. Govvy (talk) 09:51, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, I had that inclination as well but chose to err on the safe side. The article turned six years old yesterday, if you could believe it. JTtheOG (talk) 16:47, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 19:24, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment – @User:Rejoy2003 made a considerable amount of contributions to the article, I would like to see your arguments. Svartner (talk) 22:19, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - @User:Svartner My edits have solely been copyedits and grammar fixes, apart from working on the article lead, I don't remember adding any content, as the article is mostly as it is. I believe the subject is notable, although the references mentioned in the article may not contribute to its notability. The guy is a former footballer, having played for Salgaocar FC during the 1980s/1990s, they used to compete in the National Football League (India), the then highest men's football league in India. If we consider WP:NSPORT, the subject can pass notability. Goa being part of India and the presence of online media active during the 1990s seem difficult to find. Most of the sources of such people maybe available in old archives or newspapers, since the state of Goa has only been much active with the online media in the 2010s. After retirement, the subject seems to have also hosted a global Goan event known as the World Goa Today [8], even active in singing [9]. He also seems to have played/or is playing amateur football with former players from Salgoacar FC [10]. See O Heraldo search results of his name here [11]. Also he seems to have been based in Kuwait [12] or Qatar (see O Heraldo), which may be one of the reasons why there isn't much references from Goa-based or other Indian media. I'm not too familiar with the Arab news sources, apart from Arab Times, to which he has also contributed as a writer see [13]. If somehow this AFD does result in a keep, maybe an editor could tone down the promotional content. Rejoy²⁰⁰³(talk) 05:27, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
For me this is enough to establish WP:GNG and keep. Svartner (talk) 04:57, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Would anyone mind presenting the WP:THREE best sources? JTtheOG (talk) 17:44, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete—Not seeing anything that clearly points toward WP:SIGCOV. Anwegmann (talk) 21:48, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect‎ to Danny Ortiz. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 20:45, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Josue Danny Ortiz Trophy[edit]

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Award fails WP:GNG and WP:NAWARD. Extremely limited sources that even mention the award; the two in the story include WP:TRIVIALMENTIONS in discussion of Danny Ortiz. Additional sources not included are also trivial mentions that do not provide significant coverage. Propose to redirect to Danny Ortiz. Dclemens1971 (talk) 15:52, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Danny Ortiz as possible search term. Giant Snowman 19:22, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Valmir Nafiu[edit]

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Does not appear to pass WP:GNG or any of the WP:SPORTS criteria. None of the other language wikis have sources that are either a)independent or b) provide significant coverage of the subject. Doing WP:BEFORE reveals only a few pieces of routine coverage. Out of the sources here: [1] and [2] go in depth, and seem to be independent. No clue about reliability.

[5],[6],[7],[9] aren't independent, due to being published by his former club.

[8] does not mention him.

[3]&[4] are just routine coverage mentioning that he played in a certain match.

[10] is a data base entry, which isn't in-depth.

This leaves us with two sources, both of which were published the last time this article was deleted.

(Disclaimer: found this page through a CCI, and I've deleted a paragraph over copyright concerns. The only source I deleted, however, also did not mention the subject.) GreenLipstickLesbian (talk) 08:49, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. None of the sources in the article are independent, as the first two are by the governing sports org. Still fails GNG. JoelleJay (talk) 01:53, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Yes the article has weak sources which are pretty much primary sources, but that doesn't negate the article, it needs a clean up. Besides you have other sources at de:Valmir Nafiu, [14], [15], [16], [17], [18], [19], lots more with stuff on him, poor nomination, WP:BEFORE clearly not done correctly in my opinion.. Govvy (talk) 08:39, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment The German wiki has 9 sources, 7 of which are not independent. Of the other 2, one is stats and the other contains little info on him. Your sources are interviews, non independent websites and match reports which isn't sigcov. Dougal18 (talk) 09:39, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
...Did you actually read those sources? They clearly do not amount to GNG coverage. 1: interview by his football club N. 2: interview in Telegrafi with 1 independent sentence on him N. 3: his football club N. 4: part of 1 sentence in a routine transaction announcement N. 5: part of 1 sentence in a routine match recap N. 6: 1 sentence in a routine match recap N. If you're going to accuse others of being lazy with their BEFOREs maybe don't use such obviously garbage sources as examples of what they missed. JoelleJay (talk) 17:40, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete and SALT - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 19:22, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per sources below which show notability. Giant Snowman 07:36, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - @GiantSnowman:, I think important context is needed here... The sources do have secondary coevrage and even then if you look at Macedonian media it tends to cover players in the form of seemingly "routine" media (see [20], [21], and [22], as opposed to e.g. Indonesian media which tends to write about players in more long-form profiles). He has been covered by various Macedonian news outlets. As a result, I feel that the fact that he has received lots of coverage by many Macedonian outlets in the form of shorter seemingly "routine" articles ([23], [24], [25] etc, has Wikipedia pages in eight languages and has played in German Bundesliga, made 100+ appearances and helped Macedonian team win three keague titles and has ongoing career is enough all put together. Thanks, Das osmnezz (talk) 23:34, 26 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
They are "seemingly routine" because they are routine... those are all routine transaction announcements and match reports, which we see loads of for every footballer. Which source specifically meets SPORTCRIT's requirement for IRS SIGCOV? JoelleJay (talk) 11:39, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, leaving aside the first three links, because they're not about this footballer, [10], as JoelleJay caught, is a site run by the governing sports organization and can't help show notability due to lack of independence. I clicked on a few links from [12], which is when I noticed that none of those pages had an author listed. Looking at the site a bit further, their about page reveals this:
Through "TEAM" readers receive original, exclusive, but primarily verified, reliable and accurate information. In addition to the team of professional sports journalists, the top Macedonian athletes in the role of columnists have their own space and say in "TEAM".

Given that the articles written by athletes don't seem labeled, we're going to have a really hard time verifying that anything in this site is independent. And, given that this is a WP:BLP, I don't think articles with unclear authorship can even be used. Can they?

And as for the links in [11]- The previews just seem routine, but I clicked on them all only to get 404 pages. I've been having lots of trouble with Internet Archive for the past day, and I don't feel like struggling with it for what seems to be, again, routine coverage.

@GiantSnowman I trust your judgement, and you obviously saw something I'm missing. Could you give me the sources you saw that show notability? GreenLipstickLesbian (talk) 00:59, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment – In fact, there seems to be a lack of independent sources that provide more in-depth coverage (the best one is from KF Shkendija's own website), but the recreation of the article does not seem to be in bad faith, SALT would be too much. Svartner (talk) 03:29, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Svartner:, For further context, see my comment above, (GiantSnowman has also changed his vote to keep). Thanks Das osmnezz (talk) 07:04, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

As I said, the best source is from the player's own club. For me it is a case of weak keep, but it is on the limit to establish WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 00:34, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment It's always routine coverage, talking about parts a player played in a game, Cristiano Ronaldo has huge amounts of what you call routine coverage. You people voting to delete never look at the cumulative amount of sources. This players has more than enough cumulative sourcing to pass WP:BASIC. Govvy (talk) 10:01, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep—Obvious keep. Had a long, established first-team career, and the sources shown clearly meet WP:GNG. Anwegmann (talk) 21:46, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Which sources? Because, so far, nobody's linked to any source that is independent, reliable, or gives WP:SIGCOV, so I'm not sure how they can count to the GNG. Could you please link the ones you found convincing? GreenLipstickLesbian (talk) 22:03, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
See Govvy's and Das osmnezz's comments above. Also, as Govvy argues immediately above, collective effect is important and real. Anwegmann (talk) 22:07, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Govvy gave no independent or significant sources- just interviews, database entries, and routine coverage. Das osmnezz also linked to no sources- just a search result, which was annoying seeing as they specifically filtered one of their search results to a non-independent site, but none of the sources seemed to help the subject pass the GNG. I would just like a link to one source that is independent, provides significant coverage, and is reliable. If the subject "clearly" passes the GNG, this should not be hard to provide, and we shouldn't have to fall on a "collaborative effort" style argument.

I also disagree with Govy's interpretation of WP:BASIC, which establishes that
trivial coverage of a subject by secondary sources is not usually sufficient to establish notability
but I suppose that's a point of policy for the closer to decide. GreenLipstickLesbian (talk) 00:42, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@GreenLipstickLesbian: Firstly it would be polite to ping me when you talk about me, secondly, of the sources I posted, there are multiple independent sources. To say that of the sources I posted above are not independent is a false statement. I look at cumulative count per WP:BASIC, which has multiple published in bold! Followed by secondary sources that are reliable. Yes there are drips and drabs, but under the guise of BASIC you're allowed to hunt down all sources to build that cumulative count. I am using straight forward simple logic. The first part of BASIC is significant coverage, however that does not indicate it needs to be to one article and never has. There for you are allowed to determine sigcov over multiple articles. This is a constant battle and I really don't understand why seasoned Wikipedians constantly fall into the trap thinking that SIGCOV requires a full storied article, why understanding the BASIC rule allows it to built over multiple articles. I strongly suggest you read and re-read the first bullet point on WP:BASIC. Regards Govvy (talk) 10:49, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete I don't see any independant source, sorry. --SGaurier (talk) 23:42, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - Closer needs to take into account that this user was created on May 11 and 2 out of 3 of his eidts came in football AFDs... Thanks, Das osmnezz (talk) 04:01, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Francis Mensah[edit]

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Another poorly sourced BLP with no WP:SIGCOV demonstrated. The best that I can find are Abidjan 1 and Abidjan 2, both passing mentions in Ivorian media. The Feyenoord mentioned is the one in Ghana, not the Dutch team. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 12:02, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. I fixed the link to the Voice of America article, which seems pretty good. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 12:37, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for restoring it. I'm not going to withdraw this AfD yet as I don't think that it's enough on its own for a GNG pass. The coverage is Fifteen-year-old Francis Joe Mensah is one of the academy's best players, a lightning-quick, technically solid, left back, who can also play left wing. He predicts he will make it in Europe. He says he has no fear of failure. followed by a quote from the subject. I also think WP:YOUNGATH might apply given the age of the subject at the time (the coverage does not seem to be substantial and prolonged). I'd be interested to know what others think. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 12:41, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - no evidence of notability. One source on its own not enough. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 12:49, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Delete—There's nothing here. Played for an academy and then disappeared. No WP:SIGCOV shown at all. Anwegmann (talk) 21:44, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Consensus among participants who took the trouble to carefully analyze the sources seems clear. Owen× ☎ 19:42, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Christian Nanetti[edit]

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This footballer, who seems to have never played in the top 3 tiers in Italy or top 4 tiers in England, was deemed non-notable in an AfD discussion in 2020. I can't find signicant coverage in reliable sources published since then that would suggest he is now notable – per WP:GNG, as WP:NFOOTBALL is obsolete. The article content is not the same as the version deleted in 2020, so WP:CSD#G4 does not apply. ^Complex/_Rational 17:28, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep - I found [26], [27], [28], [29], [30], [31], [32], [33], [34] among many more English and Italian sources. Clearly siginifciant figure in English lower league football with extnsive career. Thanks, Das osmnezz (talk) 19:59, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Of these sources, The Sun and Daily Mail are not considered reliable (deprecated, as documented at WP:RS/PS), and several others are blogs/tabloids which have similar shortcomings. Is there anything in more reputed sources such as BBC, Sky News, The Guardian, etc.? ^Complex/_Rational 20:24, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

1. seems okay, but not sure it's WP:SIGCOV, 2. per WP:THESUN, The Sun is deprecated and its articles do not contribute to notability, 3. very short, mostly quotes 4. short, mostly quotes, 5. a Wordpress blog – is the author a "subject-matter expert"?, 6. very short, mostly quotes, 7. short, mostly quotes, 8. one sentence mentions him, 9. per WP:DAILYMAIL, The Daily Mail is deprecated and its articles do not contribute to notability. So, of the nine sources you listed, one might be SIGCOV. Based on these sources alone, I don't see that Nannetti's a clearly significiant figure in English lower league football. Robby.is.on (talk) 20:29, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

All the sources show secondary coverage and the Sun is considered by some to be reliable for sports. Put together, all these sources show that he has been a clear topic of interest in English lower league football. Thanks, Das osmnezz (talk) 20:59, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep – Per @Das osmnezz. Svartner (talk) 21:20, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:47, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@GiantSnowman:, All many the sources from a variety of newspapers/news portals above are about him and go into his background and show secondary coverage and the Sun is considered by some to be reliable for sports. Put together, all these sources about him show that he has been a clear topic of interest in English lower league football. Thanks, Das osmnezz (talk) 22:58, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I do not consider The Sun reliable for anything. Giant Snowman 08:03, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@GiantSnowman:, Even besides that, my other points still stand. Put together, even without the "tabloid newspapers", all the other sources from the newspapers and news portals like Gianlucadimzarzio show that he has been a clear topic of interest in English lower league football. Thanks, Das osmnezz (talk) 10:01, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I reviewed your sources prior to my !vote and nothing has changed my mind since. Giant Snowman 10:02, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: BLP, fails GNG and NBIO. Sources in article fail WP:SIRS, and the sources listed above none are independent significal coverage addressing the subject directly and indepth. Found listings, name mentions, nothing that meets WP:SIGCOV addressing the subject indepth. BLPs require strong sourcing. // Timothy :: talk 15:33, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

All the sources are about him and go into his background and show secondary coverage and the Sun is considered by some to be reliable for sports. Put together, all these sources about him show that he has been a clear topic of interest in English lower league football. Thanks, Das osmnezz (talk) 23:46, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. I don't think the heavily-interview-based sources noted above are enough for GNG. Tabloids and other deprecated sources obviously are unacceptable in BLPs and should be removed on-sight. JoelleJay (talk) 00:03, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

All the sources are about him and go into his background and show secondary coverage and the Sun is considered by some to be reliable for sports. Put together, all these sources about him show that he has been a clear topic of interest in English lower league football. Thanks, Das osmnezz (talk) 22:58, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The Sun is most certainly not reliable for BLPs, which require high-quality sourcing. JoelleJay (talk) 19:10, 26 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - my stance hasn't changed since my original source analysis at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Christian Nanetti. I'm not convinced that any of the new sources in this discussion address the previous reasons for deletion. Those that offer more than trivial coverage are of questionable reliability as addressed several times above; The Sun, Daily Mail and Wordpress are not acceptable sources for BLPs and do not confer notability in any case. Wikipedia is not a tabloid. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 11:29, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, clearly passes GNG with significant coverage.--Ortizesp (talk) 12:29, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep—Definitely enough to pass WP:GNG. Anwegmann (talk) 21:42, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Isaac Álvarez (footballer)[edit]

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Reviewed during NPP. No evidence of wp:notability under GNG or SNG. Has only two datbase entry / stats sources. Main statement is that he was on the team for a South American championship but didn't play. North8000 (talk) 14:06, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: From the DICCIONARIO BIOGRAFICO DEL FUTBOL BOLIVIANO (1930-2000):

"Nombre completo: Isaac Álvarez Moscoso. Apodo: La “Araña negra”. Nacimiento: Cochabamba, 6 de julio de 1933. Posición: Guardameta, No 1. Padres: ..... Esposa: ..... Hijos: Jorge Isaac, Jenny Carmiña, Martín Erick. Estudios: Primaria Escuela Carrillo, Secundaria Colegio Carrillo de Cochabamba. Otros Estudios: INSEF. Profesor de Educación Física. Cursos de Dirección Técnica. Clubes: En el Club 31 de Octubre (1963), de La Paz. Participación en la selección: Es Campeón Sudamericano de 1963. Jugó por la selección boliviana dos partidos oficiales (1963-1965) y fue batido en tres oportunidades. Es Campeón Sudamericano Invicto 1963. No tuvo participación oficial en dicho campeonato figurando en la banca. Dirección Técnica: Fue Preparador Físico en The 16 Strongest (1990). Otros Datos: Practicó el Atletismo, el Básquetbol, el Voleibol y el Fútbol. Distinciones: El gobierno mediante la repartición respectiva condecoró con la Medalla al Mérito Deportivo en el Grado de Caballero del Deporte, al cumplirse los 40 años de la conquista del XXI Campeonato Sudamericano. Además de ser acreedor a la pensión vitalicia de 4 sueldos mínimos mensuales."

There is also a bit of coverage here, which although not published in a reliable source, is definitely more evidence of notability. JTtheOG (talk) 17:35, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. GiantSnowman 15:34, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- @GiantSnowman: What's wrong with the ~170 word encyclopedia entry listed above? BeanieFan11 (talk) 15:42, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  Based on Google Translate, it covers the names of his children and the schools he went to in brief list form, and then briefly covers his playing career and then his pension... it's not enough on its own. Giant Snowman 15:46, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  It gives a decent enough bit of coverage for SIGCOV I think:

Full name: Isaac Álvarez Moscoso. Nickname: The “Black Spider”. Birth: Cochabamba, July 6, 1933. Position: Goalkeeper, No 1. Parents: ..... Wife: ..... Children: Jorge Isaac, Jenny Carmiña, Martín Erick. Studies: Primary School Carrillo, Secondary School Carrillo de Cochabamba. Other Studies: INSEF. Physical Education Teacher. Technical Management Courses. Clubs: At the 31 de Octubre Club (1963), in La Paz. Participation in the national team: He is the 1963 South American Champion. He played for the Bolivian team in two official matches (1963-1965) and was beaten three times. He is the 1963 Undefeated South American Champion. He had no official participation in said championship, appearing on the bench. Technical Direction: He was a Physical Trainer on The 16 Strongest (1990). Other Information: He played Athletics, Basketball, Volleyball and Soccer. Distinctions: The government, through the respective distribution, awarded the Medal of Sports Merit in the Degree of Knight of Sports, on the 40th anniversary of the conquest of the XXI South American Championship. In addition to being a creditor of the lifetime pension of 4 minimum monthly salaries

- Probably could use more sources though... BeanieFan11 (talk) 15:50, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - The above source is pretty comprehensive and he definetly has more offline sources, having won the 1963 South American Championship with the Bolivia national team. Article needs improvement, not deletion. Thanks, Das osmnezz (talk) 07:47, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak delete—One unsourced encyclopedia entry means very little. In my view, this does not come close to sustained and significant coverage. Anwegmann (talk) 21:41, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Keep. I actually think the encyclopedia entry does show prominence, especially as it mentions that he was given what seems to be a prominent sports medal by the government and that the Bolivian government granted him a lifetime pension for his sporting career. The blog post, while a blog, should also be considered here as it mentions he was "one of the glories" (of his club?). Considering that no Bolivian sources from the time have been searched, I'd lean towards keeping, considering that it is highly likely someone of such prominence would receive SIGCOV and we already arguably have SIGCOV in the encyclopedia entry for WP:SPORTCRIT. BeanieFan11 (talk) 22:10, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You make good points. I think a "no consensus" is probably the best outcome here, as this article needs a deeper dive. Anwegmann (talk) 01:59, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Albert Tjåland[edit]

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Articles for deletion/Albert Tjåland (2nd nomination)

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This succumbed to an AFD before, but since then it has been recreated due to "coverage in international media". It happened at a time when the player was looking to be moving up in the football hierarchy, but with all due respect to the player, the career has stagnated, which I think allows us to see the subject in a clearer light. In an encyclopedic sence, Albert Tjåland fails WP:NOTINHERITED, WP:SUSTAINED, WP:TOOSOON, WP:SIRS and as a consequence WP:SPORTCRIT.

ABT was a child whom international media took a novelty interest to.
His football career has not panned out. He plays on the fourth tier, has never played a league game for a first team, only reaching as far as appearing 6 times on Bryne's bench - as well as playing a cup game for Molde, which for WP:PEACOCK reasons is called "a professional debut". Nothing he has done remotely resembles a significant accomplishment within sport.
While there was coverage in many countries, there reports about various accomplishments in children's games lack significance, and was all the more packed with speculation and hot air. A big breakthrough is not currently looming on the horizon, and while it might of course happen one day, we have the too soon guideline for a reason.
The press coverage was exclusively motivated by him having a famous relative. Albert and Erling have similar names and likenesses, and joined the same club (Molde) as a youth player. Take the relative out of the equation, and what are you left with? Notability is not inherited from relatives. Geschichte (talk) 09:34, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 20:03, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, passes GNG with significant coverage.--Ortizesp (talk) 12:52, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There is no significant coverage, just churnalism. As I took the time to explain why I think so above, I think you should explain your view as well. Geschichte (talk) 07:59, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You call it churnalism, I call it journalism. Ortizesp (talk) 12:30, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep - Per Ortizesp. Young player with ongoing career with pro Norwegian top flight team and many good sources already. Thanks, Das osmnezz (talk) 07:50, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment. My further thoughts are that the keep opinions are annulled by their lack of explanation and non-existing response as to the nomination statement, which detailed a failure of several policies. "significant coverage" and "many good sources" are unfounded opinions; "ongoing career with pro Norwegian top flight team" is false, Tjåland has an ongoing career with a semi-pro B team on the fourth tier. Geschichte (talk) 07:32, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Policy based input please, especially please provide the significant coverage alleged
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Delete. Each of the keep assertions in this process make claims of notability. Let's examine those claims: 1) Passes WP:GNG with WP:Significant coverage? The burden is on those wanting to keep, and this page is wanting sourcing which directly details, as WP:SPORTSPERSON requires. 2) Young player with ongoing career with pro Norwegian top flight team and many good sources? So what? None of those adjectives or sources directly details the subject in multiple reliable sources independent of the subject. We have stats and routine sportsnews mostly linked to a relative. This is a biography for a living person. Delete. BusterD (talk) 14:24, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Draftify—This is very obviously an example of WP:TOOSOON. Anwegmann (talk) 21:57, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]