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You need to change protesters to rioters, they were participating in a riot not a protest and why isn't the title Kenosha unrest self-defense shooting. 2603:9001:5901:A8CF:E820:D75D:B516:7232 (talk) 23:02, 26 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Firefangledfeathers:, you removed the detail specifying that Rittenhouse shot Rosenbaum in self-defense, claiming that it wasn't ruled self-defense. Was or was Rittenhouse not acquitted of all charges? Oktayey (talk) 14:51, 3 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
He was acquitted of all the charges. Which judge or jury ruling says it was self-defense? Firefangledfeathers (talk | contribs) 15:05, 3 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The verdict of 'not guilty' says it was self defense; how could they have reached that verdict otherwise? Oktayey (talk) 15:18, 3 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oktayey, the article lead says he was acquitted. Additionally, the end of the section in question says acquitted. While I agree with the statement, "Rittenhouse acted in self defense", legally speaking we can only say the jury didn't find him guilty of the charges in question, presumably because they felt the self defense argument was reasonable. Also, since prior to the edit in question and shortly after the article says he was acquitted, I'm not sure it's important to say "self defense" at that point. Springee (talk) 16:18, 3 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
While I still think there's more than enough evidence to state it directly, I agree it could be seen as redundant.
I know editors are supposed to assume good faith, but someone making an objectionable change like that without leaving an edit description AND marking it as a 'minor edit' makes that difficult for me. Oktayey (talk) 17:13, 3 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, not an appropriate m tag. Springee (talk) 18:47, 3 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I made an edit a few days ago which included a link to an article from a RS that 100% supported the edit I made (from current to "...acquitted on grounds of self-defense". It was undone because "That's not what the article says about the jury". Unless the mod is seriously making the Vaushian claim that "There is no knowing" and, therefore, since you cannot *literally* insert your brain into someone else's, there is no way to ever know even so much as causality (in which case, I would be making a global demand that this mod nuke about 95% of all of wikipedia on that ground), the article makes it explicitly clear that the only "ground" for "acquittal" for a jury to deliberate and reach "acquittal" was "self-defense". In fact, the article makes it clear that this point is so obvious the outcome should have been, essentially, foreseen. The article laid out the groundwork for why *a* jury would get to this conclusion, and this is *a* jury, and, unless we're going to be so obtuse as to say it is reasonable to say they may reasonably likely have rendered this decision because "the sky is blue" (again, because their is no knowing, and there is no causality), then the grounds for acquittal should be assumed to be the grounds laid out for the deliberation of the jury by the defense, by the prosecution, by the judge, by the law, by the article and by making the reasonable assumption of rational decision-making in the jury deliberation room unless evidence comes out to say otherwise. It's edits like this are what has cost Wikipedia and its mods the at least limited credibility it once had, and, again, unless you're going to take the autistically, hyperbolically, cartoon-super-villain literal interpretation of the rules that no human being and no other article on wikipedia assumes, there is no reason to have undone this edit.
— Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.151.103.37 (talk) 22:13 30 October 2022 (UTC)
Currently it has only two people listed as charged. However, this article says an additional 55 people were charged. [1] Should the charged section be changed? 3Kingdoms (talk) 01:09, 1 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I added information from this source to the "Later developments" section. Whether and how to add it to the infobox is subject to further thought/discussion. —ADavidB 01:43, 1 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
...and this content is summarized in the infobox now as well. —ADavidB 02:11, 1 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]