Actually, DW is really getting to annoy me, and not just on account of this.
He's been ''gutting'' articles he doesn't like, often leaving
snide comments
about the persons who wrote the original version on the talk pages. Yes,
some of them needed changes, but his arrogant dismissive tone about other
people's work is rude, snide and outrageous. I came across some pages where
three or four people people obviously had put in a long of work and had a
long debate, only to find their work 'dumped' with some snide remark about
it all being rubbish, with personal insults thrown in, suggesting that if
that was the best they could do, they shouldn't be on Wiki. Yes, in a lot of
cases things needed changing or re-writing or tidying up, but his whole
approach, tone and attitude is well beyonds the bounds of acceptable
behaviour.
As to his claim here, I disagree. We are not drawing up a list of filing
cards here. I'm quite happy with Zoe's work. To call it a 'totally and
completely lousy presentation' is not merely wrong but typical of the way he
treats anyone who gets in his way, or writes something he doesn't like, in a
way he doesn't like. To claim boldly that ''there is not one person on
Wikipedia with any marketing expertise'' is monumental arrogance, as well as
factually wrong. Maybe instead of calling himself DW he should have used
TEHL (The Ego Has landed) when he joined Wiki.
OK, now that I have had my gripe for the day, I'm off to do some articles on
Wiki, and if DW so much as touches anything I'm working on and leaves a
snide remark, I'll set Two16 loose on him.
No. Maybe that's too cruel, though I'm not sure to whom; Two16 or DW!
JT.
From: Zoe <zoecomnena(a)yahoo.com>
Reply-To: wikien-l(a)wikipedia.org
To: WikiEN-l(a)wikipedia.org
Subject: [WikiEN-l] A few choice words from DW
Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 18:39:32 -0800 (PST)
DW put this on my Talk page. Any comments? - Zoe
Dear ZOE: I'm sure your intentions, along with the others, was quite
sincere in coming up with a formula for the opening line of an article on
someone. However, it is a totally and completely lousy presentation that is
hard on the eyes and far too much for researchers to be asked to absdorb.
In plain words, it turns people off and therefore Wikipedia's credibity.
Please get over the obsession with Google, the heading doesn't gain users,
only QUALITY does. I am putting an enormous amount of work into hundreds of
articles that, based on this hoffific heading presentation is rendering
them useless. For people with or without a brain larger than a flea, this
is what they need when using an Encyclopedia for a biography or other such
items:
NAME: year dates, occupation.
John Smith (1920-1990), Medical Scientist
SPACE
Born John William George Peabody Smith on July 5, 1920, he was etc.
Make paragraphs short (See HarperCollins/Random House or amy other
publisher about readability, interest span in the 21st Century etc.
LAST LINE (always): John Smith died on December 1, 1990 and was interred in
????.
If they were a great whatever, you might add one one to occupation. Then,
in a new PARAGRAPH, the full date of birth. AND, I've never met anyone who
said they were born in Tupelo, United States. So, do as I do and get the
Province/Departement etc. for foreign countries. Too, nobody says they were
born in Boston, New England, United States. So, a Region in France should
be specified after the Departement or leave the region out. I don't want to
see any more of my hard work changed. There is not one person on Wikipedia
with any marketing expertise. Buy a few marketing books, use a little
marketing common sense, and see how Wikipedia can succeed rather than
articles on "getting new users." Build it right, accurate, and sufficiently
detailed and interesting and they will come. ALSO, if idiots want to insert
stubs or are too lazy to do research, LABEL the artice: ''Work in
Progress". That way, a new user/viewer understands and doesn't click away
thinking what a half-assed informa!
tion site Wikipedia is. Because, when they do, they don'y come back (except
to play and add the same useless bits of crap) and they don't tell
others....DW
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