Wikipedia:In the news/Candidates

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Saulos Chilima A plane crash in Mzimba, Malawi, kills nine people, including Vice President Saulos Chilima (pictured). In the Indian general election, the National Democratic Alliance, led by Prime Minister Narendra Modi, is re-elected with a reduced majority. The Boeing Starliner spacecraft conducts its first crewed flight, carrying two astronauts to the International Space Station. The CNSA Chang'e 6 completes sampling and takeoff from the far side of the Moon. Ongoing: Israel–Hamas war timeline Russian invasion of Ukraine timeline Sudanese civil war timeline Recent deaths: Simon M. Cowell James Lawson Brother Marquis Chet Walker William Anders Jürgen Moltmann view — page history — related changes — edit

Glossary Blurbs are one-sentence summaries of the news story. Altblurbs, labelled alt1, alt2, etc., are alternative suggestions to cover the same story. A target article, bolded in text, is the focus of the story. Each blurb must have at least one such article, but you may also link non-target articles. Articles in the Ongoing line describe events getting continuous coverage. The Recent deaths (RD) line includes any living thing whose death was recently announced. Consensus may decide to create a blurb for a recent death. All articles linked in the ITN template must pass our standards of review. They should be up-to-date, demonstrate relevance via good sourcing and have at least an acceptable quality. Nomination steps Make sure the item you want to nominate has an article that meets our minimum requirements and contains reliable coverage of a current event you want to create a blurb about. We will not post about events described in an article that fails our quality standards. Find the correct section below for the date of the event (not the date nominated). Do not add sections for new dates manually - a bot does that for us each day at midnight (UTC). Create a level 4 header with the article name (==== Your article here ====). Add (RD) or (Ongoing) if appropriate. Then paste the {{ITN candidate}} template with its parameters and fill them in. The news source should be reliable, support your nomination and be in the article. Write your blurb in simple present tense. Below the template, briefly explain why we should post that event. After that, save your edit. Your nomination is ready! You may add {{ITN note}} to the target article's talk page to let editors know about your nomination. The better your article's quality, the better it covers the event and the wider its perceived significance (see WP:ITNSIGNIF for details), the better your chances of getting the blurb posted. Headers When the article is ready, updated and there is consensus to post, you can mark the item as (Ready). Remove that wording if you feel the article fails any of these necessary criteria. Admins should always separately verify whether these criteria are met before posting blurbs marked (Ready). For more guidance, check WP:ITN/A. If satisfied, change the header to (Posted). Where there is no consensus, or the article's quality remains poor, change the header to (Closed) or (Not posted). Sometimes, editors ask to retract an already-posted nomination because of a fundamental error or because consensus changed. If you feel the community supports this, remove the item and mark the item as (Pulled). Voicing an opinion on an item Format your comment to contain "support" or "oppose", and include a rationale for your choice. In particular, address the notability of the event, the quality of the article, and whether it has been updated. Please do... Pick an older item to review near the bottom of this page, before the eligibility runs out and the item scrolls off the page and gets abandoned in the archive, unused and forgotten. Review an item even if it has already been reviewed by another user. You may be the first to spot a problem, or the first to confirm that an identified problem was fixed. Piling on the list of "support!" votes will help administrators see what is ready to be posted on the Main Page. Tell about problems in articles if you see them. Be bold and fix them yourself if you know how, or tell others if it's not possible. Please do not... Add simple "support!" or "oppose!" votes without including your reasons. Similarly, curt replies such as "who?", "meh", or "duh!" are not helpful. A vote without reasoning means little for us, please elaborate yourself. Oppose an item just because the event is only relating to a single country, or failing to relate to one. We post a lot of such content, so these comments are generally unproductive. Accuse other editors of supporting, opposing or nominating due to a personal bias (such as ethnocentrism). We at ITN do not handle conflicts of interest. Comment on a story without first reading the relevant article(s). Oppose a recurring item here because you disagree with the recurring items criteria. Discuss them here. Use ITN as a forum for your own political or personal beliefs. Such comments are irrelevant to the outcome and are potentially disruptive. Suggesting updates There are two places where you can request corrections to posted items: Anything that does not change the intent of the blurb (spelling, grammar, markup issues, updating death tolls etc.) should be discussed at WP:Errors. Discuss major changes in the blurb's intent or very complex updates as part of the current ITNC nomination.

June 12

Portal:Current events/2024 June 12

June 12, 2024 (2024-06-12) (Wednesday) Armed conflicts and attacks Russian invasion of Ukraine Kyiv strikes Russia launches a wave of cruise missiles and drone attacks at Kyiv. Ukrainian air defences intercept all missiles and drones, however the debris from downed drones damages some infrastructure. (Reuters) Eight people are killed and two dozen others are wounded in a Russian airstrike on Kryvyi Rih. (NDTV) Two Indians recruited by the Russian army have been killed in Ukraine and the Indian foreign ministry has urged Moscow to quickly return all Indian nationals who are with the Russian army. (BBC) Israel–Hamas war Israel–Hezbollah conflict Israel kills Taleb Abdullah, a senior commander of Hezbollah, which retaliates by launching 215 rockets towards northern Israel. (Times of Israel) Red Sea crisis The Houthis strike the Greek-owned, Liberian-flagged cargo ship Tutor with an unmanned surface vehicle, causing the ship to take on water. (Reuters) Impact of war on children The United Nations has added the Sudanese Armed Forces and Rapid Support Forces to its list of offenders for violating children’s rights along with Israel Defense Forces, Hamas and Palestinian Islamic Jihad. (BBC) Syrian civil war Sixteen Syrian soldiers, including an officer, are killed in a minefield laid by Islamic State militants and an attack by the group in Homs Governorate. (Al Arabiya) Nagorno-Karabakh conflict Russian peacekeepers completed their withdrawal from the Nagorno-Karabakh region. (The Moscow Times) Arts and culture Royal Canadian Geographical Society announce that a Canadian led team has found the wreck of Quest, the polar exploration ship of the Shackleton expedition. (Reuters) Business and economy International sanctions during the Russian invasion of Ukraine The Moscow Exchange shuts down all trading in US dollars and euros in response to increased sanctions by the European Union and the United States. (Reuters) Disasters and accidents 2024 Mangaf fire At least 49 people are killed in a fire at a building housing foreign workers in Mangaf, Kuwait. (Reuters) At least 86 people are killed after a boat carrying 271 passengers capsized on a river near Kinshasa, Democratic Republic of the Congo. (AP). Several people are injured and 25 shops are destroyed in a fire in Manama Souq, Bahrain. (Gulfnews). International relations Armenia–Russia relations Armenian Prime Minister Nikol Pashinyan announces that Armenia will withdraw from the Collective Security Treaty Organization amid deteriorating relations with Russia. (Euronews) Russia–United States relations The United States broadens secondary sanctions on foreign financial institutions that did business with any of over 4,500 US-sanctioned Russian entities. (Financial Times) The United States imposes sanctions on Evghenia Guțul, a pro-Russia governor of Moldova's Gagauzia region. (Reuters). Politics and elections 2024 New Caledonia unrest French president Emmanuel Macron suspends electoral reform in New Caledonia following riots. (Reuters) 2024 South African general election South Africa's IFP to join ANC and Democratic Alliance in unity government, claims IFP leader. (Reuters) Dozens of demonstrators were injured in the Armenian capital Yerevan, after police fired stun grenades at an anti-government rally outside parliament.(Al arabiya) U.S. attorney general Merrick Garland is found in contempt by the United States House of Representatives on a 216–207 vote.(The New York Times) Law and crime Killing of Peter R. de Vries The killers of Dutch crime reporter Peter de Vries receive prison sentences running a maximum of 28 years. (Reuters) The Oklahoma Supreme Court dismisses a lawsuit by the last Tulsa race massacre survivors seeking reparations. (ABC News)

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RD: Neil Goldschmidt

Article: Neil Goldschmidt (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Oregon Live
Credits:

• Nominated by TDKR Chicago 101 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Muboshgu (talk · give credit) and Connormah (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

RD: Robert Hughes (basketball)

Article: Robert Hughes (basketball) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CBS News
Credits:

• Nominated by Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

American high school basketball coach.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 18:38, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

RD: Howard Fineman

Article: Howard Fineman (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Washington Post
Credits:

• Nominated by Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

American journalist and television commentator.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 17:34, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

RD/blurb: Jerry West

Article: Jerry West (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb:  American basketball player Jerry West (pictured) dies at the age of 86 (Post)
News source(s): CBS Sports
Credits:

• Nominated by KENGRIFFEY24FAN (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

KENGRIFFEY24FAN (talk) 14:04, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

Basketball Hall of Famer, dubbed "The Logo." Most notable for his time as a player and executive for the Los Angeles Lakers

• Support: Article is a GA and I just resolved the last CN tag. _pbp 14:14, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

Still one CN tag in the "early life" section. The 🏎 Corvette 🏍 ZR1^{(The Garage)} 14:20, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

Plus I'm pretty sure his statistic sections need citations as well. rawmustard (talk) 14:26, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

@The Corvette ZR1: Looks like an IP removed my source. I readded it, and the page has been protected.

@Rawmustard: The statistics are supported by the "external links" section, which links to statistical sites such as Basketball-Reference _pbp 14:54, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

I know that whenever an actor/other film personnel is nominated, typically the filmography needs to have inline citations prior to the article being posted to front page, so I would presume the same would have to apply to a sportsperson's statistics. rawmustard (talk) 17:00, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

@Rawmustard: I've added citations to the bottom of the table _pbp 19:52, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

• Support PBP fixed the citation issues, and the article looks good. The 🏎 Corvette 🏍 ZR1^{(The Garage)} 15:03, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
• Blurb transformative figure in basketball history. It is rumored that the NBA logo was modeled after him. Natg 19 (talk) 15:30, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
• Support RD, oppose blurb. A rumor about him inspiring a logo isn't Mandela/Thatcher level of blurbworthy. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 15:32, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

Blurb - Forget about the logo story. He still has many achievements as both player and executive and was one of the greatest of his time. I think that's worthy enough of a blurb. Prodrummer619 (talk) 18:01, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

• Support RD, leaning support blurb. The rare subject who was top tier both as a player and as an executive in their sport, and therefore transformative of the sport. BD2412 T 18:11, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose Blurb. West is borderline notable for me, even as someone who probably isn't even top 5 on notability ever within their sport. To me though, I can't stop thinking about how we didn't post Bill Russell. IMO, Bill Russell's impact was greater, maybe nit within basketball solely, but with his civil rights impact factored in. So if we are to believe Russell wasn't transformative enough, then West isn't either, I'd say. DarkSide830 (talk) 18:33, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

Quite a shame that Russell did not get blurbed. I thought for sure that he did. Who is the most recent sportsman to get blurbed? Maradona? or was it Jim Brown? (OJ did, but for non sports reasons.) Natg 19 (talk) 20:12, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

I don't think we should ever deathblurb people whose death as an event isn't notable (e.g. a serving head of government whose death causes a change in leadership, or a notable murder, etc). By that metric, almost no sportspeople qualify. I do not think this is a failure of the system, RD line exists for a reason. This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 20:53, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

• Support blurb Article is in good quality. Supporting blurb because West is highly influential in his field and not to mention he's the NBA logo too! Article definitely reflects his influential status/impact he had. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 19:07, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose blurb, weak support RD there's some unsourced lines. And, really, it is getting out of hand to propose blurbs lightly. Opposing for DarkSide. _-_Alsor (talk) 20:04, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

Oppose blurb not a serving political head, manner of death not notable This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 20:51, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

June 11

Portal:Current events/2024 June 11

June 11, 2024 (2024-06-11) (Tuesday) Armed conflicts and attacks Russian invasion of Ukraine Belarus–Russia relations Russia and Belarus begin the second stage of their tactical nuclear weapons drills. (The Independent) Military aid to Ukraine during the Russo-Ukrainian War, Ukraine–European Union relations, Ukraine–United States relations European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen announces that the European Union will give Ukraine €3.4 billion (USD$3.6 billion) throughout the summer from Russian frozen assets revenue. (The Kyiv Independent) The United States approves a move to send a second Patriot missile system to Ukraine. (AP) Russia says that it has captured the villages of Tymkivka in Kharkiv Oblast and Miasozharivka in Luhansk Oblast. (Barron's via AFP) Israel–Hamas war Humanitarian aid during the Israel–Hamas war United States Secretary of State Antony Blinken announces more than $400 million in new humanitarian aid for Palestinians in Gaza. (CNN) Islamic State insurgency in Iraq Iraqi security forces in cooperation with U.S.-led coalition forces kill Abu Zainab, a senior member of Islamic State in Raqqa, Syria. (Reuters) Korean conflict South Korea says that its forces fired warning shots at North Korean soldiers who briefly crossed the demarcation line in the Korean Demilitarized Zone. South Korean authorities state that they believe the intrusion, which occurred in a densely forested area, was accidental. (Reuters) Sudanese civil war The International Organization for Migration says that more than 10 million people have now been internally displaced by the war in Sudan, including around a third of the population of the capital Khartoum, making it the world's worst displacement crisis. (Al Jazeera) Business and economy The World Bank approves $1 billion for the construction of the Dasu Dam in northwest Pakistan. (Al-Arabiya) Production begins at Senegal's first offshore oil project at the Sangomar oil fields which aims to produce 100,000 barrels of oil per day. (ABC News) Dzuds in Mongolia kill more than 7.1 million animals, over 10% of the country's livestock population, causing up to 1% of GDP loss and 8% of agricultural production loss. (AP) Disasters and accidents 2024 Chikangawa Dornier 228 crash The wreckage of an aircraft which went missing yesterday in Malawi amid bad weather is found. All ten people on board, including the country's Vice-President Saulos Chilima, are confirmed dead. (Reuters) A Russian Aerospace Forces Sukhoi Su-34 aircraft crashes during a routine training exercise in North Ossetia–Alania, Russia, killing all onboard. (Reuters) International relations Russia–Sri Lanka relations, Foreign involvement in the Russian invasion of Ukraine Sri Lanka's foreign ministry says that the country has received assurances from Russia that it would stop recruiting Sri Lankan citizens to fight in Ukraine. (Al-Arabiya) Law and crime Weiss special counsel investigation Hunter Biden, son of U.S. President Joe Biden, is convicted in a federal court in Delaware on three felony counts of possession of a firearm while under the influence of narcotics. (NBC News) A man self-immolates at St. Mark's Square in Zagreb, Croatia, and later dies in hospital. (N1) (Dnevnik) Riots occur in Tiaret, Algeria, in opposition to water rationing as a government response to prolonged droughts. (AP) Eight individuals from Tajikistan with suspected ties to Islamic State are arrested across several United States cities for border immigration violations. (AP) Politics and elections 2024 Austrian legislative election Austria announces that parliamentary elections will be held on September 29. (Reuters) 2024 French legislative election France's left-wing political parties establish an electoral alliance, the New Popular Front, ahead of the French parliamentary elections. (Le Monde) 2024 Limerick mayoral election John Moran becomes the first directly-elected mayor in the Republic of Ireland. (Limerick.ie) 2024 South African general election Former South African president Jacob Zuma and his party uMkhonto weSizwe appeal to the Constitutional Court to block the newly elected parliament from sitting, citing electoral fraud. (Reuters) Crisis in Venezuela Hunger strikes occur in at least 16 prisons in Venezuela to protest against poor living conditions such as overcrowding as well as delays in the reviews of the prisoners' judicial processes. (MSN via Reuters)

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RD: Tony Lo Bianco

Article: Tony Lo Bianco (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Fox News
Credits:

• Nominated by Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

American actor.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 17:54, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

RD: Orest Lenczyk

Article: Orest Lenczyk (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Eurosport/TVN24 (in Polish)
Credits:

• Nominated by Abcmaxx (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Nationally famous Polish football manager. Needs a few more citations. Abcmaxx (talk) 08:50, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

(RD ready) RD/blurb: Françoise Hardy

Article: Françoise Hardy (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb:  French singer-songwriter and actress Françoise Hardy (pictured) dies at the age of 80 (Post)
News source(s): Le Monde , The Guardian
Credits:

• Nominated by TDKR Chicago 101 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Kelisi (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Article is updated and well sourced. Seeing how the article definitely reflects her legacy, impact on French culture and also impact on the modern-day music industry, not sure if it warrants a blurb? Regardless, article (IMO) is good for RD. TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 22:49, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

• Support RD, oppose blurb The article is of more than sufficient quality for RD, but the manner of death was not notable, and thus a blurb is not warranted. In my opinion, death blurbs should only be in place when the death itself is a notable event. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 02:12, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
• Support RD 💔 what a loss ꧁Zanahary꧂ 04:35, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
• Support blurb, as the legacy section states : Hardy was celebrated as a "French national treasure" and one of the greatest figures in French music of all time., I think that it's enough to deserve a blurb. Alexcalamaro (talk) 04:55, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

  Seconded. I support blurb based on this. ꧁Zanahary꧂ 05:54, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose blurb. Loads of people are labelled "national treasures", that doesn't mean we blurb them. There's too much of the "this person is famous, let's blurb them" going on these days. Is Hardy a major figure of the Thatcher / Mandela stature? No. So we don't blurb her, it's that simple. If people want to lower the bar across the board or impose a different standard such as "major contributor" then that should be agreed at WT:ITN first.  — Amakuru (talk) 06:52, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

  Article good for RD though? TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 06:56, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

  Yes, it looks fine on that score. The only issue I can see is length. At 12,000 words, it's halfway between "probably should be trimmed" and "almost certainly should be trimmed", per WP:TOOLONG guidelines, but I won't object to ITN on that basis. Support RD.  — Amakuru (talk) 07:01, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose blurb per Amakuru. Was she famous in France? Yes. Was she important enough for her death to be blurbed as a standalone news item? No. *Support RD on quality. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 07:17, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
• Support RD looks well sourced (minus the lede). --Classicwiki (talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 07:26, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose blurb not a serving head of state or government, manner of death not notable This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 20:50, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

(Closed) Hunter Biden

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Article: Hunter Biden (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Hunter Biden, son of U.S. President Joe Biden, is convicted in a federal court in Delaware on three felony counts of possession of a firearm while under the influence of narcotics. (Post)
News source(s): NBC News
Credits:

• Nominated by Mia Mahey (talk · give credit)

Article updated

Mia Mahey (talk) 18:22, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

Support Update on H. Biden's article is sufficient and event should be historic enough to warrant a blurb. Bremps... 18:27, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose Unlike the Trump conviction, this is insignificant. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:35, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose, as much as some politicians are trying to make this into a big deal, this is no different than any other low level crime. Yes, it’s a felony. No, it’s not a relevant felony, and it doesn’t become so just because he’s the President’s son. If Joe himself were convicted of this maybe it’d be newsworthy but probably not. -bɜ:ʳkənhɪmez (User/say hi!) 18:39, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose - he's a private citizen convicted of something inconsequential in the national or international grand scheme of things and bears no real meaning other than providing obvious partisan talking points. If he was convicted over something related to his father's presidency, that might be another matter. RPH (talk) 18:43, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose. Hunter Biden is only a public figure because his father is a public figure; absent increased involvement from his father (for example, a presidential pardon) then this doesn't warrant posting. BilledMammal (talk) 18:44, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose irrelevant for ITN. _-_Alsor (talk) 19:00, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose Local trivia. Black Kite (talk) 19:11, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

Oppose per RPH. DarkSide830 (talk) 19:11, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose The events of his life have little real world impact. Compare it to the recent Indian election, where hundreds of millions of people voted in a democratic election to form a new government. You can't compare the scale of the two events. Harizotoh9 (talk) 19:33, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

RD: Khushboo (Pakistani actress)

Article: Khushboo (Pakistani actress) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The News
Credits:

• Nominated by Ainty Painty (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Ainty Painty (talk) 03:32, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose Six sentences of prose at the moment. Needs citations. --Classicwiki (talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 03:39, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
• Wait There's more info in the two headlines I read than in the current article, and who knows what might grow from those entire articles? For now, though, yeah. Way too stubby. InedibleHulk (talk) 03:49, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose There's no mention of her death outside of the infobox yet. Too much of a stub. Estreyeria (talk) 14:15, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

June 10

Portal:Current events/2024 June 10

June 10, 2024 (2024-06-10) (Monday) Armed conflicts and attacks Russian invasion of Ukraine Crimea attacks Ukraine's military says that its missile strikes near Yevpatoriya and Chornomorske in Russian-occupied Crimea damaged three Russian air defense systems. (Reuters) Eastern Ukraine campaign The Russian Defence Ministry says that its forces have recaptured the village of Staromaiorske in Donetsk Oblast. (Fakti) (Reuters) Military aid to Ukraine during the Russo-Ukrainian War The United States lifts a ban on sending U.S. weaponry to Ukraine's Azov Brigade. (The Washington Post) Sudanese civil war Battle of El Fasher The last remaining operational hospital in Al-Fashir, North Darfur, closes down after being stormed and looted by the Rapid Support Forces, according to Médecins Sans Frontières. (The Guardian) Nigerian bandit conflict At least 50 people are killed and an unknown number are kidnapped, including women and children, when gunmen attack the village of Yargoje in Katsina State, Nigeria. (Al Arabiya) Somali civil war At least 55 people are killed and 155 others are injured in fighting between the Dir and Marehan clans in central Somalia. (Reuters) Disasters and accidents 2024 Brazil wildfires It is reported that wildfires have burned around 32,000 hectares (79,000 acres) of tropical wetland in Brazil's Pantanal so far this year, a 935% increase in the number of fires that occurred in the same period last year. (BBC News) 2024 Chikangawa Dornier 228 crash An aircraft carrying Malawian Vice-President Saulos Chilima and nine others is reported missing while flying from Lilongwe to Mzuzu. (BBC News) Forty-nine migrants, mostly from Ethiopia and Somalia, are killed and 140 are missing after their boat capsizes off the coast of Yemen. (Al Jazeera) Three people are killed in floods and landslides in Hà Giang province, Vietnam. (France 24) Law and crime Belarus–European Union border crisis Poland announces a "no-go zone" in the Białowieża Forest in order to prevent migrants from crossing the border from Belarus. In response, concerns are raised about the potential impact on tourism during the summer. (Reuters) Doe v. Chiquita Brands International, Right-wing paramilitarism in Colombia After 17 years of litigation, Chiquita Brands International is found liable by a jury in United States Federal Court of financing the far-right paramilitary death squad United Self-Defense Forces of Colombia in the Antioquia and Magdalena Departments of Colombia. (EarthRights International) Four American instructors from Cornell College in Iowa, United States, and one Chinese passerby are wounded in a stabbing attack at a park in Jilin City, China. The perpetrator is arrested a day later. (CNA) (NPR) A Spanish court sentences three men to eight months in prison for racist chants directed towards Brazilian football player Vinícius Júnior. (NPR) Politics and elections Israel–Hamas war Israel–Hamas war protests The United States Consulate General in Sydney, Australia, is vandalized by a pro-Palestinian activist. (NBC News) United Nations Security Council Resolution 2735 The United Nations Security Council votes 14–0, with Russia abstaining, to back the ceasefire proposal outlined by US President Joe Biden. (Reuters) 2024 Belgian federal election The New Flemish Alliance win the highest percent of votes in the federal election, followed by Vlaams Belang and the Reformist Movement. (VRT) Belgian Prime Minister Alexander De Croo resigns after his party Open Flemish Liberals and Democrats loses to centre-right and conservative parties. (Al Jazeera) 2024 Belgian government formation Following resignation of De Croo, government formation talks begins.(Al Jazeera) 2024 Armenian protests Several large protests are held in Yerevan, Armenia, calling for Armenian Prime Minister Nikol Pashinyan to resign due to Armenia ceding territory to Azerbaijan in the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict. (Al Jazeera) 2024 Bulgarian parliamentary election No party attains a majority in the Bulgarian National Assembly, with GERB attaining a plurality of seats. (Euronews) Science and technology Apple holds its 2024 Worldwide Developers Conference in Cupertino, California, United States, unveiling its Apple Intelligence, iOS 18, iPadOS 18, MacOS Sequoia, and more. (Reuters)

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(Posted blurb) RD/blurb: Saulos Chilima

Article: Saulos Chilima (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb:  Malawi Vice President Saulos Chilima (pictured) and 9 others are killed in a plane crash (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ A plane crash in Malawi causes the death of Vice President Saulos Chilima (pictured) and nine others.
News source(s): The Times of IndiaCNN
Credits:

• Nominated by Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Malawi Vice President died in Air Crash.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 10:59, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

Maybe, blurb? Андрій ЯЧ (talk) 11:42, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

The plane crash event is noteworthy enough to be a blurb. 10 casualties including VP of a country. Didgogns (talk) 15:34, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

• Comment I have expanded the section on the corruption scandal and also added a bunch of sources for the rest of his bio. Scaramouche33 (talk) 14:51, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
• Blurb added. Johndavies837 (talk) 17:24, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
• Support blub Johndavies837 (talk) 17:25, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
• Support Rest in peace Bakhos2010 (talk) 17:30, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
• Support blurb on notability of event, death of a Vice President in exercise. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 17:56, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

Support Blurb Article is of sufficient quality and event is major enough. Bremps... 18:24, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

added altblurb. Sheila1988 (talk) 19:17, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

• Support blurb However, shouldn't the target article be the plane crash itself? Also worth noting, former first lady was also among the casualties. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 19:23, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

  Yes, the target article should be the plane crash. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 20:23, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

• Posted Stephen 22:25, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: James Lawson (activist)

Article: James Lawson (activist) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Tennessee Lookout,Los Angeles Sentinel
Credits:

• Nominated by Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk · give credit)
• Updated by TDKR Chicago 101 (talk · give credit) and Funcrunch (talk · give credit)

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American activist and university professor.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 19:29, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

• Support. Appears to be well-sourced (just added/updated a couple of cites myself). Funcrunch (talk) 22:55, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
• Of Course, one of the giants of the Civil Rights Movement. Randy Kryn (talk) 23:47, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
• Support Article looks good. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 00:52, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
• Support per Funcrunch. --Classicwiki (talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 03:41, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
• Support Rest in peace, friendly giant. InedibleHulk (talk) 03:54, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
• Posted Stephen 05:13, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

RD: Steele Hall

Article: Steele Hall (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Australian Broadcasting Corporation
Credits:

• Nominated by Roisterer (talk · give credit)

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Premier of South Australia and Australian Senator.

NB: I created this article (20 years ago). Hall is perhaps most famous for changing electoral laws to remove the gerrymander that had kept his party in government for decades, thus all but ensuring his defeat at the next election. There can't be too many examples of politicians willing to do such a thing. --Roisterer (talk) 09:16, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

@Roisterer, could you address the CN tags in the article please? --Classicwiki (talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 09:36, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

European Parliament election

Article: 2024 European Parliament election (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The European People's Party Group wins the most seats in the European Parliament election (outcome pictured). (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ The European People's Party Group (main candidate Ursula von der Leyen pictured) obtains the most seats in the European Parliament election.
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

• Nominated by Andrew Davidson (talk · give credit)

The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

I see lots of news reports about this so what exactly are we waiting for? It might help to make a start. Andrew🐉(talk) 08:23, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

• Wait A little premature perhaps as the article doesn't even have the seat breakdown yet nor have they finished announcing. The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 08:29, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

  Last time it seems that ITN posted two days after the polls closed, on the Tuesday. Andrew🐉(talk) 08:37, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose on quality. Article is in bad shape with many empty sections and very little content on the results, reactions and implications. There's long way to go before this gets posted.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 08:31, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
• Wait/Oppose on quality. Too many empty sections. Wait until the article is expanded and provisional election results/seat breakdowns are available. --Classicwiki (talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 08:37, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
• Wait and Improve - We should post this, but we need an acceptable article. GenevieveDEon (talk) 08:53, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

Comment - Might be good to mention the surge in support of right-wing parties in the European Parliament, which has been a massive talking point in this election PrecariousWorlds (talk) 11:42, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

I concur, this seems to be the main thing the news is reporting. Curbon7 (talk) 21:04, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

• Comment. Ursula von der Leyen did not run in this election, and the leader of the EPP is currently the German politician Manfred Weber. --2.248.103.101 (talk) 13:08, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

  I'm not sure of all the details but the BBC live report indicates that she's in the driving seat, e.g.

  European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen says she will approach social democratic and liberal parties that she has worked with in the past to form a majority in the European Parliament.

  The nominated article lists seven alliances and four of them are shown to have leaders who were not running as MEPs. If there's a better way of explaining the result, I expect there will be alt blurbs suggested. Andrew🐉(talk) 13:42, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

Comment von der Leyen is the main candidate, but not the leader of the EPP group. It should as such not say "led by" in the text. I would instead replace it with "The European People's Party Group (main candidate Ursula von der Leyen pictured) wins the most seats in the European Parliament election." I will also say that I would be cautious with writing anything which could imply that UvdL is guarenteed to continue as Commission President. So I would prefer using the term "win" if it is possible. Gust Justice (talk) 19:07, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

To understand this, I read Ursula von der Leyen in pole position.... This indicates that her getting a second term as President is decided by national leaders and then endorsed by the parliament. So, that seems to be a separate process, just as election of the US President is separate from the election of Congress. Right? I'm therefore not convinced that we ought to personalise this by showing a particular politician but it's good to have an image of some sort. I'll adjust the nomination... Andrew🐉(talk) 19:54, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

This indicates that her getting a second term as President is decided by national leaders and then endorsed by the parliament. Leaders of the 27 member states (on June 27) and majority of MEPs (secret ballot voting; tentative July 18) [1]. So imo, delay this ITN to July 18.— hako9 (talk) 21:11, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

FYI, the blurb which was posted in 2019 was as follows:

In the European Parliament election, the centre-right and centre-left lose seats. Liberals, the far-right, greens and regionalists make the largest gains.

The Presidential process was not included. Andrew🐉(talk) 21:36, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

Comment The article is about the elections to the European Parliament. Because of the unusual institutional setup of the EU, the election of the Commission President is a separate, later election (as noted above), and in any case the Commission isn't exactly equivalent to a government in function and form. I would therefore strongly suggest a blurb focusing only on the parliamentary elections and the outcome in terms of party groups, and leave VDL out of this for now. There is however no reason to delay the article until she is reelected (or not) as that election is another affair, strictly speaking. Yakikaki (talk) 07:23, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

• Not ready. There are five orange-tagged sections and no prose at all about the results. The empty sections could simply be removed or merged into others, but there also needs to be at least a full referenced paragraph describing the outcome, reactions etc. Modest Genius ^talk 11:02, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

  FWIW, I do think the blurb should avoid mentioning von der Leyen, because the Commission and the Parliament are two separate bodies. Modest Genius ^talk 11:03, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

  Not that it's not ready, but the article is in such a terrible shape that all of the questions in the foregoing discussion should've not been raised because the article is supposed to provide the answers.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 11:09, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

June 9

Portal:Current events/2024 June 9

June 9, 2024 (2024-06-09) (Sunday) Armed conflicts and attacks Insurgency in Jammu and Kashmir 2024 Reasi attack At least nine people are killed and 33 others are injured near Reasi, Jammu and Kashmir, India, when a bus carrying Hindu pilgrims falls into a ravine after being shot at. (Al Jazeera) Insurgency in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa 2024 Lakki Marwat bombing An IED kills seven Pakistan Army personnel in Lakki Marwat District, Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, Pakistan. (Reuters) Israel–Hezbollah conflict Two people are killed in Israeli airstrikes near Aitaroun, Lebanon, according to the National News Agency. (Al Jazeera) Arts and culture President Bernardo Arévalo announced that the remains of Guatemalan writer and 1967 Nobel Prize winner for Literature, Miguel Ángel Asturias, would be repatriated to Guatemala. Asturias is buried in the Père Lachaise Cemetery in Paris, France. (DW) International relations North Korea–South Korea relations South Korea announces that it will resume loudspeaker broadcasts over the Korean Demilitarized Zone for the first time since 2018 in response to North Korea sending hundreds of balloons carrying garbage across the border. (BBC News) Law and crime Cannabis in Slovenia Slovenian voters approve the use of cannabis for medicinal and recreational use in adults. (STA) Politics and elections Israel–Hamas war Israeli war cabinet War Cabinet Minister Benny Gantz resigns after Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu failed to present a post-war plan for Gaza by Gantz's previously announced June 8 deadline. Minister Gadi Eisenkot also resigns. (BBC News) 2024 Belgian federal election Belgians vote for the 150 members of the Chamber of Representatives as well as for regional representatives and members of the European Parliament. (The Guardian) 2024 Bulgarian parliamentary election Bulgarians vote for the sixth time in three years to elect the 240 members of the parliament. (DW) 2024 European Parliament election The last day of the European Parliament elections takes place, with voting occurring in 20 countries. (AP) 2024 French legislative election Following major losses for French President Emmanuel Macron's Renaissance party in the European Parliament elections, Macron dissolves the National Assembly and calls snap elections for June 30 and July 7. (Reuters) 2024 Indian general election Narendra Modi is sworn in for his third term as Prime Minister of India. (Al Jazeera) 2024 Mexican general election Mexico's ruling party Morena and its coalition allies win a supermajority in the Chamber of Deputies but not in the Senate, falling short of the two-thirds majority needed to change the Constitution. (Reuters) 2024 San Marino general election Sammarinese elect the members of the Grand and General Council. (Libertas) 2024 South Ossetian parliamentary election Parliamentary elections are held in the Georgian breakaway region of South Ossetia. (Anadolu Ajansi) 2024 Swiss referendums Voters in Switzerland reject limits on healthcare spending and an initiative against compulsory vaccination, while approving the initiative of a new law on electricity. (Swissinfo) Sports 2024 French Open In tennis, Carlos Alcaraz wins the Men's singles title at the French Open after defeating Alexander Zverev in the final, earning his third Grand Slam title. (AP)

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Edward C. Stone

Article: Edward C. Stone (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Time
Credits:

• Nominated by Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: American space scientist. Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 20:09, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

2024 Bulgarian parliamentary election

Article: 2024 Bulgarian parliamentary election (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ GERB wins a plurality of seats in the Bulgarian parliamentary election. (Post)
News source(s): Al Jazeera, Reuters
Credits:

• Nominated by Curbon7 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Borgenland (talk · give credit)

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Part 2 of Europe's "Super Sunday" elections, and Bulgaria's 6th general election in 3 years. Curbon7 (talk) 21:18, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

• Comment: Aftermath section needs to be expanded and prose needed for results section. --Classicwiki (talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 03:36, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Simon Cowell (conservationist)

Article: Simon Cowell (conservationist) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [2]
Credits:

• Nominated by Ollieisanerd (talk · give credit)
• Created by LittleOldMe (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Normantas Bataitis (talk · give credit) and 213.31.43.58 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: British conservationist. Ollieisanerd (talk • contribs) 20:43, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

• Disambiguate There's a much more famous Simon Cowell and so running this in the usual RD way is unacceptably confusing and misleading. Andrew🐉(talk) 21:31, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

This is not an argument for opposing. You can create a discussion on the talk page to change the "usual RD way" if that is an issue for you. Natg 19 (talk) 21:48, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

@Andrew Davidson is that a real policy argument for opposing a RD? --Classicwiki (talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 21:49, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

The issue has come up before but I don’t recall exactly how disambiguation was done. The point is that we need to make it clear which Simon Cowell we’re talking about. It’s a significant BLP issue. Andrew🐉(talk) 21:59, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

I think there have been rare instances where the name with disambiguator is in the RD line, i.e. Simon Cowell (conservationist). But this is usually up to the posting admin to decide. Natg 19 (talk) 23:54, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

Searching, I find a previous case was Sudan in 2018 in which a disambiguation was added. More recently, a rough consensus to disambiguate in such cases was agreed in this discussion. And this was then done for a Bob Brown. Andrew🐉(talk) 07:02, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

• Support. He was notable; he's dead; article looks ok. I suspect his talents far exceeded those of his more famous namesake. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:36, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
• Support per Martinevans, but as to Andrew's concerns, I do think the (conservationist) disambiguator should be included in the listing. The Kip ^(contribs) 23:58, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
• Support I tried to address the CN tags in the article. I am a little iffy on the alumni verification. Room for improvement, but looks ok. I think going with the current parenthetical, (conservationist) or (wildlife conservationist), would be enough of a disambiguator. --Classicwiki (talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 01:09, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
• Posted (with disambiguator). Black Kite (talk) 07:30, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

Looks like Stephen altered this back to the "regular" format (Simon Cowell), but then switched it to its current form (Simon M. Cowell). This seems to be a workable compromise to me. Natg 19 (talk) 16:59, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

(Ready?) 2024 Belgian federal election

Article: 2024 Belgian federal election (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In the Belgian federal election, the incumbent coalition government, led by prime minister Alexander De Croo, lose their parliamentary majority. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ In the Belgian federal election, the New Flemish Alliance remains the largest party in parliament, but the governing coalition (prime minister Alexander De Croo pictured) loses its majority.
News source(s): The Guardian, AP News, Politico
Credits:

• Nominated by Curbon7 (talk · give credit)

The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Part 1 of Europe's "Super Sunday" elections. Curbon7 (talk) 06:07, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

• Technical Support Should be "its" parliamentary majority, as a coalition, but close enough. InedibleHulk (talk) 06:43, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

  That's an ENGVAR issue that shouldn't interfere with posting. GenevieveDEon (talk) 08:54, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

  No stalling intended, it's ready when it's ready, just seems the sort of potential ERRORS issue best checked preemptively. InedibleHulk (talk) 03:14, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose: Article is currently lacking in prose and analysis. Will support when it improves. --Classicwiki (talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 07:47, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
• Support in principle once the article is ready. GenevieveDEon (talk) 08:54, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
• Comment: this is almost sufficient, but there's an orange-tagged section and I'd like to see a bit more referenced prose in the 'results' and 'aftermath' sections. Modest Genius ^talk 11:07, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

  I added some prose to the aftermath section YD407OTZ (talk) 17:38, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

  Thanks. The article now meets our minimum requirements, so I support posting. I've added an altblurb and a potential image. Modest Genius ^talk 10:57, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

• Support Article is ready to go Sharrdx (talk) 19:04, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

(ready) French Open

Article: 2024 French Open (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In tennis, Iga Świątek wins the Women's Singles and Carlos Alcaraz wins the Men's Singles at the French Open. (Post)
News source(s): Women's singles, Men's Singles
Credits:

• Nominated by PrinceofPunjab (talk · give credit)

The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: This year's article has prose which various previous grand slam nominations lacked. PrinceofPunjab^TALK 17:47, 9 June 2024 (UTC)

• Support finally a grand slam event article that actually have prose. LiamKorda 03:19, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
• Support: although the singles articles are mostly tables, the target article is good shape. --Classicwiki (talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 07:51, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
• Conditional support Once the lede is properly written, the article is good to go. Unnamelessness (talk) 11:12, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose on quality - the bottom four sections of the results - Boys' singles, Girls' singles, Boys' doubles and Girls' doubles - are lacking prose at the moment. I'm also not convinced we need that "Champions" section at the bottom; that is nonstandard, uncited and seems to be almost just a glorified gallery.  — Amakuru (talk) 18:49, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

  @Amakuru Please look into the article once again. I've tried address both of your concerns. PrinceofPunjab^TALK 05:44, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

• Support. For the first time I can remember, a nominated tennis article has proper prose summaries of the tournament, not just tables. This looks good to me, thanks for the much better article this time around. I think this is ready to post. Modest Genius ^talk 11:10, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

  There were no further comments in 24 hours, so I'm marking this as ready to post. Modest Genius ^talk 11:02, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

RD: Siri Kannangara

Article: Siri Kannangara (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Sunday Times, Daily FT
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Abishe (talk · give credit)

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Inducted to the Football Australia Hall of Fame in 2002. He was also conferred with a Member (AM) in the General Division of the Order of Australia during 2013 Queen's Birthday Honours (Australia). Abishe (talk) 17:03, 9 June 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose: I think the article has tone issues right now. It is slightly WP:FLOWERY. Could do with improvements to the layout as well. --Classicwiki (talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 07:58, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

(Ready) RD: Michael Mosley

Article: Michael Mosley (broadcaster) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): ABC, BBC, ITV, NYT, NZ Herald
Credits:

• Nominated by Ollieisanerd (talk · give credit)
• Created by Tim bates (talk · give credit)
• Updated by BabbaQ (talk · give credit)

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Date found dead. Ollieisanerd (talk • contribs) 08:40, 9 June 2024 (UTC)

• Wait for confirmation. Most sources I'm seeing are saying it's "believed to be" him so shouldn't post prematurely as a BLP issue.  — Amakuru (talk) 08:59, 9 June 2024 (UTC)

  Yeah, but the mayor has said it was likely him.

  Seeing that they're saying cause of death is likely heat and dehydration.

  178.19.184.210 (talk) 178.19.184.210 (talk) 09:32, 9 June 2024 (UTC)

  • A mayor is not a coroner and the key word is likely. Nothing will happen if we wait a few hours for a formal identification and declaration. Think how you would feel if the world's online encyclopedia confirmed your loved one dead before you had been to inspect the body Unknown Temptation (talk) 10:45, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
• Blurb Identification seems likely to be a formality now. It's worthy of a blurb because his mysterious disappearance has been front-page news lately and the readership has been correspondingly high – greater than William Anders, for example. And it's international news; for example: "British TV Doctor Michael Mosley Found Dead in Greece" in the New York Times. Andrew🐉(talk) 13:18, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose blurb If he is all that great of a British journalist, his article is nowhere close to a standard that would be appropriate for a blurb. I see some facets that might lead to that impression but nowhere close to demonstrating him as a great figure in British TV news presenting. We also, again, do not use page views to judge ITN appropriateness. --Masem (t) 12:16, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose blurb While he's well known in the UK, he's not particularly known globally. 31.44.224.73 (talk) 12:33, 9 June 2024 (UTC)

• Per WP:ITNDONT, "Please do not... Oppose an item just because the event is only relating to a single country". Andrew🐉(talk) 07:54, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

  I understand what you're getting at, but isn't that aimed at "Irrelevant for me/I don't like country X, so therefore I oppose." opposes? I'm not trying game, but what I'm getting at is that I don't think his death is particularly meaningful to the vast majority of people outside the UK to warrant a blurb, compared to that of major world leader or similarly internationally well known person. 31.44.224.73 (talk) 11:54, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose blurb, far from being the transformative figure in journalism. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 12:55, 9 June 2024 (UTC)

See How the presenter transformed people's lives, "It is not an exaggeration to say Dr Michael Mosley transformed people’s lives. ... Tributes are now pouring in..." Andrew🐉(talk) 07:51, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose blurb Not a transformative figure, which is the general criteria for a death blurb to be posted. And Television section needs more sources before being posted to RD. Joseph2302 (talk) 13:18, 9 June 2024 (UTC)

  I don't support a blurb either, but surely in this case the criteria would be "death is the story" rather than him being "transformative." Pawnkingthree (talk) 13:27, 9 June 2024 (UTC)

  In that case, the death isn't a major news story either. Unusual, yes, front-page story, probably not. And not every unusual RD has to be a blurb. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 13:30, 9 June 2024 (UTC)

  The story was on the front page of most UK papers today. And that's after days of similar coverage. And all that's before the body was found so there will be even more tomorrow. Andrew🐉(talk) 13:43, 9 June 2024 (UTC)

  And today, following discovery of the body, the news is on the front page of every UK newspaper except the FT. The coverage is mostly the main photo story or takes the entire front page. While on Wikipedia, it was the top read article for the day, getting half a million views while William Anders got just 40K. The RD picks that ITN is actually running got comparatively few views; they are obviously not prominent in the news and readers aren't interested in a dry list of unknown names. Useless.

We can expect yet more coverage tomorrow as the news is still breaking. The latest is that they've found CCTV of him falling down... Andrew🐉(talk) 07:51, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

ITN, and especially RD, isn't just about how many views the articles are getting. Especially since we're not picking RDs based on fame or anything, but based on article quality. And, for some people outside of the UK, Michael Mosley can be just as much of an unknown name as any of them. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 10:28, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

Andrew keeps pushing this argument, and it's nonsense. The number of views an article receives should have no impact whatsoever on whether we post it to ITN. I think perhaps we should update ITNCDONT to reflect this, because it's getting tiresome. GenevieveDEon (talk) 10:42, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

@GenevieveDEon: Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents is that way. BangJan1999 13:41, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

Per WP:ITNRDBLURB, the posting of RD blurbs is determined on a "a sui generis basis" which seems to mean that anything goes and so editors may support or oppose for their own reasons. Chaotic Enby's reason for not posting was that "the death isn't a major news story either. Unusual, yes, front-page story, probably not". Evidence is therefore needed to show that this claim is false. The story is, in fact, all over the front pages and the evidence is that it's dwarfing the recent accidental death of William Anders for whom a blurb has also been suggested. See evidence-based practice. Andrew🐉(talk) 13:12, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

Support RD oppose blurb Article looks good and was a notable figure in the uk Sharrdx (talk) 13:58, 9 June 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose blurb his disappearance was in the news for a few days, while he probably died of natural causes. This isn't a Lord Lucan or a Madeleine McCann. I don't know a lot about dieting, but I highly doubt that Mosley's work was as noted in the field as Dr Atkins, for example. Unknown Temptation (talk) 14:04, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose blurb Good for RD but this isn't big enough for a blurb. Johndavies837 (talk) 14:58, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose. Most of the Television section is unreferenced. - SchroCat (talk) 20:31, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
• Support RD oppose blurb: when citations are added to aforementioned problem sections. --Classicwiki (talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 08:00, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
• Support RD, oppose blurb Looks fine as an RD but I agree with above, not transformative enough beyond the UK to justify a blurb. The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 08:13, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
• An unfortunate accident for sure, but no more significant than an individual of his fame dying in a car accident. The section is good, but it's not enough for a blurb at his level. I think a lack of responses to the death described in the article is part of the issue. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 08:14, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
• Support RD, oppose blurb - While the story of his disappearance has been a nine days' wonder, the actual circumstances are not such as to merit a blurb here. GenevieveDEon (talk) 08:55, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

Support RD, oppose blurb Extensively covered in British news for the last few days. Death very unlikely to be foul play, probably not notable enough for blurb. Angusgtw (talk) 11:08, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

Support RD, oppose blurb: Very extensive media coverage. No issues with article quality (although now stuck with an inappropriate image).Martinevans123 (talk) 11:13, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

Note: post-mortem has established that he died on 5 June. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:32, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

• Comment The Television section is heavily missing references, some items are cited, most are not. The rest is fine and once fixed, a consensus seems to be for RD. --Tone 13:32, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
• Support RD per coverage, oppose blurb per WP:CRETINISM. ——Serial Number 54129 16:09, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

  Cretans are people too, you know. Please give them a break. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:31, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

• Comment - Television section still needs some more cites.  — Amakuru (talk) 18:51, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
• Comment There is clear consensus against a blurb so I am removing that option to avoid any more unneeded pile-on. Instead, reviewers should focus on if the article meets the RD criteria. Curbon7 (talk) 21:22, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
• Support RD, quality is fine. Modest Genius ^talk 11:11, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

  "Fine", except for the television section, which is still woefully short of citations. - SchroCat (talk) 05:39, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

• @SchroCat, @Joseph2302, @Tone, @Amakuru, I have tried to source the television section. I am marking it as ready (at least for RD), feel free to remove if you think more needs to be done.

(Given the number of times I have done this, I wonder WP:FILMOGRAPHY/MOS:FILMOGRAPHY guidance language should be updated to highly recommend references.) --Classicwiki (talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 06:55, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

June 8

Portal:Current events/2024 June 8

June 8, 2024 (2024-06-08) (Saturday) Armed conflicts and attacks Israel–Hamas war Israel–Hamas war hostage crisis 2024 Nuseirat rescue operation The Israel Defence Forces airstrikes and raids the Nuseirat refugee camp in Deir al-Balah Governorate in Gaza, rescuing four hostages kidnapped by Hamas during the Re'im music festival massacre on October 7, including Noa Argamani. (CNN) Many Palestinians, including women and children, are killed and injured during the raid, with Palestinian officials claiming 236 killed and 400 wounded, while Israeli sources claim under 100 casualties. It is unknown how many casualties were civilians and how many were militants. (Reuters) (CNN) 2021–2024 Democratic Republic of the Congo attacks At least 41 people are killed in an overnight attack in Beni, Democratic Republic of the Congo. Local leaders suspect the Allied Democratic Forces are responsible for the attack. (Reuters) Business and economy Economic impact of the Israel–Hamas war, Colombia–Israel relations Colombia announces the suspension of coal exports to Israel stating that it will resume exports after Israel complies with the International Court of Justice provisional measure of protection and stops its genocide in Gaza. (AP) Disasters and accidents Doctors Without Borders recovers 11 bodies and rescues dozens of migrants off the coast of Libya. (Al Jazeera) Law and crime Censorship in Vietnam Police in Vietnam arrest journalist Huy Đức and lawyer Tran Dinh Trien over Facebook posts. (Reuters) Politics and elections 2024 European Parliament election Elections to the European Parliament continue, with Slovakia, Italy, the Czech Republic, Latvia, and Malta voting today. (Al Jazeera) Sports 2024 French Open In tennis, Iga Świątek wins the Women's singles title at the French Open after defeating Jasmine Paolini, becoming the third woman to win three consecutive titles in the Open Era. (CNN)

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(Posted) RD: Chet Walker

Article: Chet Walker (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): New York Times
Credits:

• Nominated by Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

N.B.A. Player and Movie Producer.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 10:24, 9 June 2024 (UTC)

• Still needs a lot of sourcing work, though better than when I looked at this yesterday. Natg 19 (talk) 17:20, 9 June 2024 (UTC)

  @Natg 19, @Pharaoh of the Wizards. Article could be improved/expanded, but I just went through and added a bunch of citations. --Classicwiki (talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 08:30, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

Article looks good with the additional references. Ready to post. Natg 19 (talk) 16:42, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

• Not ready - stats section is unreferenced as far as I can see.  — Amakuru (talk) 18:52, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

  @Amakuru - I added stat source now. --Classicwiki (talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 20:45, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

• Posted - @Classicwiki: thanks!  — Amakuru (talk) 21:03, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

RD: Ramoji Rao

Article: Ramoji Rao (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Economic Times
Credits:

• Nominated by Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Need Work .Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 16:32, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose Article needs ref work. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 07:01, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

June 7

Portal:Current events/2024 June 7

June 7, 2024 (2024-06-07) (Friday) Armed conflicts and attacks Israel–Hamas war International reactions to the Israel–Hamas war United Nations advisors announce that it intends to add the Israeli military, Hamas, and Palestinian Islamic Jihad to their list of countries and armed groups that harm children in their upcoming "Children and Armed Conflict" report. (The New York Times) (Reuters) Humanitarian aid during the Israel–Hamas war The United States reinstalls the temporary Gaza floating pier after weather-related damage had to be repaired. (Al Jazeera) Yemeni civil war Red Sea crisis The Houthis detain 11 Yemeni employees of United Nations agencies and others working for aid groups. (AP) According to a Houthi-run television station, the United States and the United Kingdom carry out six airstrikes on Hodeida International Airport, the Port of Salif, and Al-Thawrah, Yemen. (Al Jazeera) Sudanese civil war Battle of Khartoum At least 40 people are killed and 50 others are injured in an attack by the Rapid Support Forces in Omdurman, Sudan. (Al Jazeera) Arts and culture Pat Sajak steps down as host of the American television game show Wheel of Fortune, having hosted the show for 41 years. (Associated Press) Disasters and accidents Apollo 8 astronaut William Anders is killed in a plane crash near San Juan County, Washington, United States. (CBS News) RICH nightclub railing collapse A glass railing collapsed outside the overcrowded RICH nightclub in Mexico, causing several concertgoers to fall three stories, killing two and injuring 15. (El Universal) Law and crime Attack on Mette Frederiksen Danish Prime Minister Mette Frederiksen is shoved by a man, who has since been arrested, in Copenhagen, Denmark. (CNN) Austrian-Canadian billionaire businessman Frank Stronach is arrested on sexual assault charges dating from the 1980s to 2023. (AP) Politics and elections 2024 European Parliament election Elections to the European Parliament continues, with Ireland and the Czech Republic voting today. (Euronews)

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(Attention Needed) RD: David Boaz

Article: David Boaz (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Washington Post
Credits:

• Nominated by TDKR Chicago 101 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Sunshineisles2 (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by TDKR Chicago 101 (talk • contribs) 05:54, 12 June 2024 {UTC) (UTC)

(Ready) RD: Warren Winiarski

Article: Warren Winiarski (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Warren Winiarski, whose Napa wine triumphed over France, dies at 95
Credits:

• Nominated by TheCorriynial (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

As the then owner of Stag's Leap Wine Cellars, in 1976, his wineries 1973 vintage Cabernet Sauvignon was entered into the Judgement of Paris (wine), where it won, and made it famous and Napa Valley wines as well. He also seems to be a well known Preservationist. TheCorriynial (talk) 18:50, 9 June 2024 (UTC)

• Support Article looks good. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 06:59, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

(RD posted) RD/blurb: William Anders

Article: William Anders (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb:  William Anders, who took the Earthrise photograph (pictured) in 1968 dies in a plane crash aged 90 (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Apollo 8 astronaut William Anders, who took the Earthrise photo (pictured), dies in a plane crash aged 90
Alternative blurb II: ​ No blurb needed. The photo is more famous than the photographer. Simply display Earthrise photo at top of ITN section, and under Recent Deaths, since William Anders is already posted, just add in parentheses (Earthrise photographer): William Anders (Earthrise photographer).
News source(s): Fox, AP, CNN
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Hawkeye7 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Hawkeye7 (discuss) 23:37, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

• Support RD when ready, oppose blurb. Natg 19 (talk) 23:44, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

  Is there anything you think is wrong with the article? Hawkeye7 (discuss) 23:46, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

  Overall, looks fine, but did not do a full review. Natg 19 (talk) 23:59, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

• Support RD, Neutral blurb. Wait for official confirmation. B3251_(talk) 23:47, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

  What counts as official? I've been waiting all week for confirmation. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 00:42, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

  At the time, the only publication that reported on the incident was a television station which used his aircraft to make the connection. Now that it's been confirmed by family and more widespread publication, it's good now. B3251_(talk) 03:25, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

• Support Alternate Blurb (which mentions Apollo 8), Anders was one of the first three humans to fly to and orbit the Moon, he participated in the Apollo 8 Genesis reading and, iconically, took the Earthrise photograph. Extremely worthy of having a lead blurb with Earthrise as an image. Randy Kryn (talk) 00:44, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
• Support Blurb One of the most notable astronauts, on the first mission which flew to the Moon, and he also took an iconic photo of Earth. The way he died is also unusual. Johndavies837 (talk) 01:06, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
• Altblurb added. Johndavies837 (talk) 01:10, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
• Support Blurb Article is in great shape, as I'd expect for a GA-tier article. He had a very significant and transformative career; as Randy mentioned, the Earthrise photograph itself had a lasting impact. (the fact that it's a Featured Picture is a testament to that)) On top of that, the death is unusual; it was for that reason that we blurbed the death of Kobe Bryant back in 2020. I echo that we should also use Earthrise as the photo. Nottheking (talk) 01:22, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
• Support RD, oppose blurb While the Earthrise photo is indeed extremely well-known, the person behind it is far from a household name, and doesn't fit the high standards of a death blurb. Although, if it is possible, it would be great to have Earthrise as our image even if he is only in RD. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 01:28, 8 June 2024 (UTC)\
  • Will say only once more, again, one of the first three humans to fly to and orbit the Moon. If he is not blurb worthy then nobody is, and Wikipedia should stop publishing blurbs. Randy Kryn (talk) 01:39, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

  Stop posting death blurbs, you say? I'm down. This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 02:29, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

  It's not an "all or nothing", and many people (even in the field of astronautics) are more well-known than him. Yes, that one accomplishment is impressive, but he was not the only one on this mission, and they aren't as well-remembered as, say, Neil or Buzz. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 01:50, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

  With the latest update, support "altblurb2". Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 01:10, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

• Support RD, neutral on blurb The article is rated Good, so it should be sufficient for posting. rawmustard (talk) 01:30, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
• Procedural support RD; strong oppose blurb - not a serving head of state/government This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 01:36, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

  You act like we can only blurb the deaths of incumbent heads of government or state, when this is fact not so. I distinctly remember we recently posted OJ Simpson's Death as well as that of Peter Higgs, in spite of neither man having been an incumbent anything at the time of their death.

  I think we certainly shouldn't have posted either of those, as neither death (as an event) had a notable impact This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 05:52, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

  The key thing to recognize here is that we routinely blurb deaths (and other events) that aren't ITN/R; that's why this has a yellow box, rather than green. An incumbent head of government dying inherently means a change of head of government, thus it's ITN/R and green. Deaths can very much be elevated to blurbing, for any reason of the deceased being "transformative" in their field, as well as the death itself being unusual/newsworthy. The former has a strong argument (if still debatable) but as for the latter, the rule does seem to be that anyone with a Wikipedia article dying in an aircraft accident (such as Ted Stevens or Kobe Bryant) is almost always blurbed, even when they're well beyond being in the spotlight. Nottheking (talk) 03:15, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

  The point (and the problem with those postings) is that neither of those ought to have been blurbed. The death should be notable as an event in and of itself, which random plane crashes are not This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 05:53, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

  Not sure how you can possibly say Kobe Bryant shouldn't have been posted. A NBA superstar who recently retired unexpectedly dying in a helicopter crash is a massive story and the way he died was undeniably a big part of why the death was so big. Death blurbs aren't just limited to heads of state or government. Jbvann05 17:53, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

• Support altburb The articles are highly important for and changed the world history. ArionStar (talk) 02:05, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
• Strong Support An extremely influential person whose article is a GA and his manner of death is also noteworthy. I prefer Alt blurb. PrinceofPunjab^TALK 04:07, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
• Comment I can support a blurb, but focusing on the Earthrise photo when he's far more recognized for a distinguished military/astronaut career overall, is inappropriate. Focus on him and the sudden death. --Masem (t) 04:16, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
• Support RD, weak oppose blurb While it is a notable person who died, the death is not notable in and of itself. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 06:37, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
• Support blurb - RIP to one of humanity's greatest heroes. He died as he lived. But yeah, the first human to fly to the Moon (along with Lovell and Borman) is definitely notable enough for a blurb. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 07:22, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
• Support RD, oppose blurb per Chaotic Enby. I think the only astronaut we should blurb his passing is Buzz Aldrin. The others don't reach the level of notability we should demand and ITN is for. _-_Alsor (talk) 10:11, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
• Support altblurb A notable and tragic ending for one of the few living men (only 6 left now) to have been to the Moon. The articles themselves look good. CDE34RFV (talk) 10:13, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
• Support RD, oppose blurb per Chaotic Enby. Duke of New Gwynedd (talk | contrib.) 14:49, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
• Support Notable individual that surprisingly did not die from natural causes Scaramouche33 (talk) 17:03, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
• Support RD, oppose blurb per Chaotic Enby. This is what RD is for. Not every event connected to space flight needs to be in the blurb. Nigej (talk) 20:46, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

  "Not every every event connected to spaceflight...". Anders is one of the three people to first leave Earth's orbit, Earth's gravitational influence, to be captured by another astronomical bodies gravitational field, to arrive at the Moon, and to personally see the far side of the Moon. Yes, just an average spaceflight event (!???). Randy Kryn (talk) 22:30, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

  The event was important, as were other Apollo program milestones, and would itself have obviously been blurb-worthy, but it doesn't make every person on board worthy of a death blurb's extremely high notability bar. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 22:36, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

  Chaotic Enby, there were three persons on board, the first to go the Moon (a human race civilizational milestone of extraordinary proportion). How do all three not pass what you call an extremely high notability bar? Randy Kryn (talk) 23:11, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

  The mission is clearly very notable but that doesn't necessarily mean that all the people on it are so important. There's a big difference. Nigej (talk) 08:29, 9 June 2024 (UTC)

  That's a bit of a catch-22 argument there. Because under those grounds, it's used to just dismiss all people from being important. William Anders was the one that gave us the photo & quotes that brought the mission into the public memory. Nottheking (talk) 20:32, 9 June 2024 (UTC)

  Not really. Notability is not inherited and being one of a notable group doesn't of itself make anyone notable. The members of the group may or may not be notable enough. Nigej (talk) 16:00, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

• Support RD, oppose blurb per Chaotic Enby, they put it quite well. Ornithoptera (talk) 22:52, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
• Support RD, oppose Blurb Per chaotic enby. Sharrdx (talk) 01:03, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
• Support blurb Article's in good shape, one of the few people to leave low Earth orbit and his death is quite uncommon especially given his age. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 07:09, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
• Support RD, oppose blurb per Chaotic Enby. The Kip ^(contribs) 07:45, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
• Support alt blurb Very notable for taking that photo, article is also a GA. Quite an unusual death too, having not died of natural causes. Ollieisanerd (talk • contribs) 08:51, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
• Support alt blurb Per Ollieisanerd. 31.44.224.73 (talk) 12:43, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose blurb This is what RD is for. Pawnkingthree (talk) 15:27, 9 June 2024 (UTC)Ðg
• Oppose blurb OMD -- Kicking222 (talk) 20:16, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
• Support Photo RD This isn't a classic case of OMD, given the plane crash. But as the death toll is one man of an advanced age, (relatively) far from civilization, any presumed aftermath shan't exactly be a long, hard nor winding trip for the FAA, FEMA or SJCC, either. OMPC, if you will, and the story seems to check out, sourcewise. InedibleHulk (talk) 22:37, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose blurb. One of many Apollo astronauts, did great work but not a Thatcher or Mandela figure in his own right. Quite something to go all the way to the moon, make it to 90 and then to sadly die in a plane crash...  — Amakuru (talk) 23:03, 9 June 2024 (UTC)

• Support RD/Oppose Blurb per Chaotic Enby 108.49.72.125 (talk) 00:35, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

• Support RD, support alternate blurb per Ollieisanerd. I feel as though most people know of Apollo 8 as at least a moon mission. HamiltonthesixXmusic (talk) 05:00, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
• Support RD, weak oppose blurb - By no means a household name, but I do understand the arguments about the photograph. We should post something, though. GenevieveDEon (talk) 08:56, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
• Consensus for RD, I don't see a consensus for a blurb. Posting RD. --Tone 13:24, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

  My heart says blurb, but that's filtered thru the fact that he is one of the few famous people I've ever met in person, and he was very cool to a young awkward teenage doofus 45-50 years ago. If ITN was set up more like I think it should be, I'd say blurb. But it is run a different way, and the way it's currently run, a blurb is probably not going to happen. Reasonable call, Tone. --Floquenbeam (talk) 16:11, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

• Support altblurb2 - The photograph is more famous than the photographer. Therefore no blurb is necessary. Just display the photo Earthrise (ie., replace photo of Narendra Modi). - Trauma Novitiate (talk) 00:59, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

RD: Rose-Marie (singer)

Article: Rose-Marie (singer) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
Credits:

• Nominated by Zevabelle40 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Northern Irish singer and television personality. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zevabelle40 (talk • contribs) 17:37, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

Oppose selected discography section do not have any sources. PrinceofPunjab^TALK 04:10, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

RD: Nicholas Ball (actor)

Article: Nicholas Ball (actor) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The National
Credits:

• Nominated by Duke of New Gwynedd (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

English actor known for EastEnders and Hazell. Duke of New Gwynedd (talk | contrib.) 09:16, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose Article is stub in terms of thorough details/info about his early life, career, etc. Filmography section is unsourced. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 10:00, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

Oppose article is a stub and filmography is unsourced. PrinceofPunjab^TALK 13:02, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

June 6

Portal:Current events/2024 June 6

June 6, 2024 (2024-06-06) (Thursday) Armed conflicts and attacks Israel–Hamas war Israeli invasion of the Gaza Strip Attacks on schools during the Israeli invasion of Gaza At least 40 Palestinians, including fourteen children, are killed and more than 70 injured after an Israeli airstrike on a United Nations school that was sheltering refugees in central Gaza. (Al Jazeera) Israeli incursions in the West Bank during the Israel–Hamas war Three Palestinians are killed and several others are injured in an Israel Defense Forces raid on Jenin in the West Bank. (The Times of Israel) (Al Jazeera) Russian invasion of Ukraine Military aid to Ukraine during the Russo-Ukrainian War President of France Emmanuel Macron announces that the country will send Dassault Mirage 2000-5 fighter aircrafts to Ukraine and train its pilots by the end of 2024. (The Telegraph) Red Sea crisis The Houthis and the Islamic Resistance in Iraq claim to have launched two joint military attacks against ships at the Port of Haifa in Israel. However, Israel denies the claims. (Al Jazeera) Disasters and accidents 2024 Uttarakhand snowstorm disaster A blizzard in the Himalaya mountains of Uttarakhand, India, kills nine Indian trekkers. (Reuters) At least six people, including mostly children, drown after a school bus falls into the Orontes River near Darkush, Syria. (Asharq Al-Awsat) Six fishermen are killed and one is critically injured after a boat's engine exploded and caught the wooden hull on fire off the coast of Naga in the Philippines. (AP) One person is killed and more than 100 others are injured after two trams collide in Kemerovo, Russia. (The Moscow Times) A child is killed and at least thirteen other people are injured by tornadoes in the U.S. states of Michigan, Maryland, and Ohio. (AP) International relations France–Russia relations A French citizen is detained in Moscow, Russia, under suspicion of collecting military information. (ABC News) Georgia–United States relations The United States Department of State sanctions several Georgian Dream politicians with travel bans for passing the "Law on Transparency of Foreign Influence", threatening further penalties if Georgia continues "anti-democratic activity". (AP) Palestine–United States relations The Biden administration imposes sanctions on the Lions' Den militant group based in Nablus in the West Bank, for committing attacks in the West Bank since October 2022. (Al Jazeera) Law and crime Belarus–European Union border crisis A Polish border guard soldier dies after being stabbed by a migrant trying to cross the EU border from Belarus. (Reuters) Politics and elections 2024 European Parliament election Elections to the European Parliament begin and will continue until June 9, with the Netherlands and Estonia voting today. (Al Jazeera) (NOS) South Africa's genocide case against Israel Spain applies to join South Africa's case at the International Court of Justice accusing Israel of genocide. (AP) Science and technology SpaceX launches Starship's Integrated Flight Test 4, successfully guiding both the Super Heavy booster and Starship upper stage to soft water landings in the Gulf of Mexico and the Indian Ocean, respectively. (The New York Times) Sports The Oklahoma Sooners win the 2024 Women's College World Series in softball with the first-ever four-peat. (The New York Times)

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RD: T. D. Allman

Article: T. D. Allman (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NY Times
Credits:

• Nominated by Thriley (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Obit published 6 June. Thriley (talk) 14:01, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

Wait there is one cn tag and there are works that are unsourced, otherwise article is alright. PrinceofPunjab^TALK 04:12, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose Article has several cn tags. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 21:06, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

(Closed) Sooners four-peat

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Article: 2024 NCAA Division I softball tournament (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The Oklahoma Sooners win the 2024 Women's College World Series with the first-ever four-peat. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ The Oklahoma Sooners win the 2024 Women's College World Series for the fourth consecutive season in a row.
News source(s): ESPN, NY Times, USA Today, KFOR
Credits:

• Nominated by WeatherWriter (talk · give credit)
• Created by DetroitFan7 (talk · give credit)

The first ever four-peat in college softball history. Even the NY Times called it "historic". The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 04:32, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

• I can support this (women's sports fights systemic bias) but (1) it needs a lot of prose describing what happened and why a four-peat is historic and (2) a lot of images to add interest to all the tables. – Muboshgu (talk) 04:40, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
• Comment Please keep slang/jargon such as "four-peat" out of ITN. I think I can guess what it means, but I shouldn't have to guess. HiLo48 (talk) 05:17, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

@HiLo48: to note, the “four-peat” is used by all RS and is why it is notable. Google “four-peat” or “4-peat” and you see dozens of RS news articles, including those listed here. So I disagree that it should not be used in ITN, since RS uses it way more than not. The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 05:21, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

Also to note, “four-peat” is an actual term in the merriam-webster dictionary. So, it is not “slang” or “jargon”. Just because you don’t know what it means, doesn’t mean the rest of the world doesn’t. The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 05:26, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose The Women's Softball World Cup actually takes place next month in Italy. Even that top-tier event isn't WP:ITN/R. Andrew🐉(talk) 05:59, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

@Andrew Davidson: So what? NY Times and ESPN lied? If I misread the sources, please explain what the Sooners won according to NY Times and ESPN. The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 06:11, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

The NCAA tournament calls itself the "World Series", probably named after MLB World Series, but is just an American collegiate tournament rather than an international professional one. Curbon7 (talk) 06:16, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose "College team wins national tournament in minor sport for 4th time". Not exactly world news. Its not in WP:ITN/R and uses slang in its proposed form. (What on earth is a "four-peat"? Certainly not a term we use here in the UK). The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 06:07, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

@The C of E: Alt-blurb without “slang” added. Please strike the part of your oppose for that. Also, clearly you can’t read what was posted just above yours on how “four-peat” is a dictionary term and not slang. Lol… The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 06:11, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

I wrote that in response to your "Just because you don’t know what it means, doesn’t mean the rest of the world doesn’t" quote. Just to prove the rest of the world doesn't, for its not in the Oxford English Dictionary. Must be some US-specific term. Anyway, the !oppose still stands for it not being on ITN/R. The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 06:15, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

For your reference, it isn’t just an US thing. Manchester City's Premier League four-peat on ESPN. I still disagree that just because it isn’t on ITN/R, doesn’t mean it can’t be listed. ITN/R is a guideline for things guaranteed to be listed. For a first-time in history event, one would think it should be listed, despite not being on ITN/R. But, I shall respect your opinion. The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 06:20, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose not ITNR, not ITN-worthy, not globally relevant. _-_Alsor (talk) 06:12, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose per above. Congratulations to the Sooners but this is not really a major global notable event.  — Amakuru (talk) 06:18, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

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(Posted) RD: Sergei Novikov (mathematician)

Article: Sergei Novikov (mathematician) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Semenov, Kirill Vladimirovich (6 June 2024). "Скончался Сергей Петрович Новиков". Moscow State University (in Russian). Retrieved 6 June 2024.
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by MarkH21 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

The first Fields Medal recipient from the Soviet Union and a Wolf Prize recipient. — MarkH₂₁^talk 00:26, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

• Support Article appears to be well sourced. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 10:01, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

Support article looks alright to me. PrinceofPunjab^TALK 13:03, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

• Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 19:14, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

(Closed) Starship successful flight test

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Article: SpaceX Starship integrated flight test 4 (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ SpaceX conducts a successful flight of Starship, with a landing for the Booster and Ship (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ SpaceX Starship successfully launches, culminating in a re-entry and ocean landing for both the Booster and Ship.
News source(s): New York Times, The Guardian
Credits:

• Nominated by PrecariousWorlds (talk · give credit)

Come ON! This is one of the most insane and incredible spaceflights in human history. Completely successful orbital launch followed by a successful atmospheric re-entry and hard landing for BOTH the Booster and Ship. The most powerful rocket in history. We have to post this PrecariousWorlds (talk) 14:00, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

• Support Is this even a question? Couple very small failures, but still hugely successful, and they both landed for the first time. This was the most anticipated spaceflight event of the decade. qw3rty 14:03, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

  I highly recommend everyone go and watch the replay of this, one of the most amazing things I've ever seen. Ship the size of the Statue of Liberty plummeting through the atmosphere, green and blue plasma flying all over the feed, the craft literally melting away live but still manoeuvring for landing. Just insane. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 14:06, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

  'most anticipated spaceflight event of the decade' no it isn't, not even close. That's Artemis 3, which will land humans on the Moon. Modest Genius ^talk 17:15, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

  This is a massive step towards that mission too PrecariousWorlds (talk) 17:59, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose Not every SpaceX launch deserves a blurb. Even Boeing Starliner's very first crewed flight is being heavily debated below, so a test flight into orbit for a prototype Starship isn't really blurb-worthy. (Edit 14:58, 6 June 2024 (UTC): Not even into orbit as per below) Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 14:13, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

  Looks like Starliner is coming to a consensus [osunpokeh/talk/contributions] 22:07, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

• Support. This was the first actually successful flight of Starship. Very important milestone in spaceflight. Note that this was not an orbital flight though. Agile Jello (talk) 14:21, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose per Chaotic Enby. Not even into orbit. Yoblyblob (Talk) :) 15:48, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

  Being on an orbital trajectory is a rather arbitrary requirement, especially as by all metrics Starship made it to space, just not at an orbital velocity (which wasn't the goal of the flight). PrecariousWorlds (talk) 16:27, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

  The main test objectives of this flight were to simulate a booster landing in the Gulf of Mexico, and for the Starship to survive reentry and soft-land in the Indian Ocean. Both of which were accomplished.

  This is not just a major milestone in SpaceX development, but a significant milestone in human spaceflight history as the largest ever rocket's first successful flight. HamiltonthesixXmusic (talk) 00:33, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

• Support Other nominations regarding Starship were opposed due to a failure to complete the entire test or meet some arbitrary requirement. Of course, now opposes are citing some other random arbitrary requirement to meet ITN. By all measures, this was a historic moment which may very well mark the beginning of human effort to establish an extra-terrestrial settlement. Kcmastrpc (talk) 16:48, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

  Every test flight is a step towards human effort to establish an extra-terrestrial settlement, this one is only one more small incremental improvement, and I don't see why it is any more historic than any other. It's not about a random arbitrary requirement, it's about the fact that we don't blurb test flights achieving slightly more than the previous test flight. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 17:17, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

  First fully successful test flight of the first fully reusable and most powerful rocket in history, as well as the largest vehicle to ever make a controlled landing, as well as being all over the news. We've posted a lot less. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 17:52, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

  It's easy to describe every test flight as a "first" in something as they each do incrementally better than the previous one, but until there's an actual payload, or maybe even manned mission, not every Starship first should be ITN-relevant. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 17:56, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

  So the first commercial satellite launch of Starship would be notable for ITN in your view? PrecariousWorlds (talk) 17:58, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

  Possibly. I don't believe in posting every Starship "first", but if there's one to pick, it's either that or the first manned flight. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 18:01, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

  Fair enough, though I personally believe this is notable enough to be posted PrecariousWorlds (talk) 18:03, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

  This is not just a major milestone in SpaceX development, but a significant milestone in human spaceflight history as the largest ever rocket's first successful flight. HamiltonthesixXmusic (talk) 00:34, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

  Plus the first successful flight and landing of a fully reusable rocket, which is a game-changer. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 12:37, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose. Another incremental test flight, still not to orbit and still without a payload. 'Successful hard landing' is a euphemism for 'intentionally destroyed on impact'. I'm getting pretty fed up of every test being nominated. If Starship actually achieves something useful then I'll reconsider; gradually getting closer to a usable state isn't blurb-worthy. Modest Genius ^talk 17:13, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

  Where did "hard landing" come from? The article claims soft landings for both the ship and the booster, and the CBS News source it links to appears to confirm that (although for the ship it simply quotes Musk's claim on that). 167.24.104.189 (talk) 17:42, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

  'Hard landing' is in the nomination above. The article calls it a 'virtual landing' i.e. not a real landing. Modest Genius ^talk 17:47, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

  From the article: "B11 successfully splashed down in the Gulf of Mexico, in what SpaceX has confirmed was a soft landing" and "S29 splashed down softly in the Indian Ocean." If that's wrong, it should probably be corrected, but the sources given seem to confirm it. 167.24.104.189 (talk) 17:52, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

  Both the Booster and Ship appeared to land intact based on the telemetry (though the ship had taken damage on the flaps), I don't think we've gotten confirmation yet as to their status now. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 17:54, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

  Mention of "hard landing" in nomination appears to be in error? Both vehicles performed soft touchdowns successfully [osunpokeh/talk/contributions] 22:05, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

  See WP:ITNCDONT point 4 [osunpokeh/talk/contributions] 22:07, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

  I did read the article - at the time of my comment it said nothing about the landings, only plans for the landings. We can argue semantics if you like, but being destroyed when they enter the ocean does not constitute a soft landing to me, even if they slowed down first. There's no evidence either craft was in the intended location either - the upper stage almost certainly wasn't, given its fins were completely shredded during re-entry. Anyway, none of this makes this more than a test flight, so it isn't suitable for ITN. Modest Genius ^talk 10:27, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

  This is an uninformed analysis. Starship was orbiting the earth at 26.000 km/h and slowed down to 50km/h performing a vertical soft landing. The same happened for the booster. The entire stack is the largest and most powerful rocket ever built. This is a monumental achievement and an historic first in human spaceflight technology. Nothing similar has ever been attempted in history. We just had in the news the Boeing Starliner launch which is a routine ISS crew mission (performed by an extremely delayed but totally ordinary launch platform) and not this? {{u|Gtoffoletto}}  ^talk 13:39, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

  Starship was orbiting the earth It was not, this was a suborbital flight
  Nothing similar has ever been attempted in history I remember SpaceX attempting this three times already, and claiming each time that it was the first "true" success
  We just had in the news the Boeing Starliner launch which is a routine ISS crew mission And, more importantly, is Boeing Starliner's first manned flight, rather than its fourth test flight Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 13:45, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

  The news here is that both the booster and the launch vehicle of the most powerful rocket ever achieved orbital re-entry and performed the first vertical soft water landings in history. Calling that flight "sub orbital" is farcical. {{u|Gtoffoletto}}  ^talk 13:53, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

  So jarring that the Starliner launch is the first item and this is not even mentioned... unfortunately the topic at this point is absurdly polarised and the results are simply comical. {{u|Gtoffoletto}}  ^talk 13:57, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

  But it was not an orbital flight. They weren't on an orbital trajectory at any point. That's literally the definition of suborbital. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 17:51, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose per Modest Genius. I also get the feeling that this is an incremental improvement, which is exactly what Starship's development approach really is. This is the fourth integrated flight test in less than a year, and there's going to be a fifth one by the end of this month. I really don't see why this one warrants inclusion. When it achieves something beyond the current limits of spaceflight development, then that would be the right news to post.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 17:35, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

  If IFT-5 is another flight like this, even if the full system is recovered, I would be against posting, but this is the first fully successful flight, and previous tests were shut down due to not all objectives of the mission being met.

  The booster catch, if performed successfully on IFT-5, would definitely fit ITN imo PrecariousWorlds (talk) 17:56, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

• Support per PrecariousWorlds and Kcmastrpc. Alexcalamaro (talk) 17:43, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose another week, another SpaceX launch. Starship is launching test flights so often now that it is hard to keep track (expected to have 4 more this year). So what that this one did not explode. When Starship has its first crewed launch, then we can post. Natg 19 (talk) 18:04, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose Surely it's not necessary to have every space flight included here. Got to be something really out of the ordinary. Nigej (talk) 18:11, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

  This is not just an ordinary space flight; it is the first fully successful flight test of the largest spacecraft currently operational. Surely the complete success of IFT-4 deserves a brief mention in current events, as opposed to the incremental successes of the last two Starship flights. HamiltonthesixXmusic (talk) 21:37, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose per Modest Genius. I'll consider supporting if/when they do a crewed launch, but this is just another incremental test. The Kip ^(contribs) 19:00, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose While we'd posted IFT-1, it quickly came in retrospect to have been viewed as a mistake, and neither IFT-2 or IFT-3 were posted. This is merely an incremental test flight that doesn't mark any big turning point. The only difference being claimed is that the vehicles mostly remained intact/capable up to the point they were expected to blow up; it still had a number of "partial failures," so it doesn't even cross the bar as a 100% success, even before acknowledging that an internal test isn't exactly particularly newsworthy. ITN is not a ticker for SpaceX activities; it's a venue for news, not press releases. Nottheking (talk) 19:07, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

  What? All test objectives were accomplished? [osunpokeh/talk/contributions] 21:18, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

  No, no they were not all accomplished. You can read the list we have on them here. Those yellow items indicate objects only partly completed. "All objectives completed" would mean that list would consist only of green items, with zero yellow, red, or grayed-out.

  The actual qualified statement is that, for the first time, Starship wasn't precluded from even attempting its final objectives. It's notable that it still had engine failures, and most critically, while it was mostly in one-piece on reentry, it did still suffer a heat-shield breach, that resulted in one of its maneuvering flaps burning partly through. (a decent amount of material was observed to have broken free of S28 during reentry & descent) Given that the focal objective repeatedly talked about was to avoid any burning up during reentry, this constitutes only a partial success. Nottheking (talk) 22:43, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

  The main test objectives of this flight were to simulate a booster landing in the Gulf of Mexico, and for the Starship to survive reentry and soft-land in the Indian Ocean. Both of which were accomplished.

  Not sure what you mean by partial success, even major news networks are hailing the flight as the first successful Starship flight. HamiltonthesixXmusic (talk) 00:36, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

  Would also like to point out that those are huge first accomplishments in the history of spaceflight... those are monumental steps forward in the history of spaceflight. {{u|Gtoffoletto}}  ^talk 13:32, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

Support I believe that this fully successful flight test of the largest spacecraft constructed deserves a brief mention. This story has been covered by multiple major American and international news networks and hailed as a completely successful test flight, including CNN, BBC, CBS, NSBC, etc.

Besides, the opposers seem to be riding on a shaky precedent set by the last three Starship launches that failed. This one is a complete success, very different from the previous IFT-2 and IFT-3. HamiltonthesixXmusic (talk) 21:42, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

Oppose While I do agree that IFT-4 was amazing, the exact notability of the mission isn't really that much (especially compared to IFT-1). Frankly, I don't think we should be nominating Starship launches until a major milestone is achieved (such as first full reuse, first ship-to-ship prop transfer, or even first HLS demo mission). Stoplookin9 Hey there! Send me a message! 21:51, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

Support Successful flight test and big milestone in spaceflight towards fully-reusable rockets. 2607:FEA8:E31F:D2C6:932B:262A:AD:4D20 (talk) 21:54, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

Support, incremental improvement over the previous flight but it looks like NASA and the media consider this to be a Big F***ing Deal owing to the controlled landing of both vehicles, especially the controlled reentry and landing of the upper stage being the largest spacecraft ever re-entered (semi?)-successfully [osunpokeh/talk/contributions] 22:03, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

It would be pretty curious having 3 notable spaceflight-related blurbs on the front page although this shouldn't be a factor in consensus finding [osunpokeh/talk/contributions] 22:05, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

I've not seen much from NASA. I've seen a lot of SpaceX asserting it's a "full success," even though it's still heavily qualified. Expect it to drop out of the news cycle once it's no longer the day of, just like with IFT-2 and IFT-3. Nottheking (talk) 22:36, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

"Expect it to drop out of the news cycle once it's no longer the day of, just like with IFT-2 and IFT-3" isn't this the same as 50% of the items we post? PrecariousWorlds (talk) 07:41, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose per Modest Genius.  — Amakuru (talk) 06:23, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

Oppose per Modest Genius and Stoplooking9 Sharrdx (talk) 12:54, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

Oppose per above. PrinceofPunjab^TALK 13:03, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

Strong support having the Boeing Starliner launch in the news section and not this launch which is the first successful complete launch of the most powerful (and advanced) rocket ever built is crazy. {{u|Gtoffoletto}}  ^talk 13:30, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

Because Boeing Starliner is the actual first manned mission, while this is just another, slightly more successful test launch. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 13:39, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

Comparing the two is farcical. Starliner is a totally routine and ordinary mission. The only notable aspect of that mission is that the first launch was so delayed. Starship is the world's most powerful rocket. Nothing similar to Starship was ever attempted in the history of human spaceflight and this test resulted in many "firsts" and many records and a huge step forward in human spaceflight technology. In the words of NASA Administrator Bill Nelson: “Congratulations SpaceX on Starship’s successful test flight this morning! We are another step closer to returning humanity to the Moon through Artemis—then looking onward to Mars.” {{u|Gtoffoletto}}  ^talk 13:48, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

Nothing similar to Starship was ever attempted in the history of human spaceflight - this is not evident. You're bludgeoning this thread with peacock terms and SpaceX boosterism, accompanied by crystal-ball claims about the Moon and Mars - but the evidence just doesn't support it. It's a decent test, don't get me wrong - but it just doesn't deserve the exaggerated hype you're heaping on it. GenevieveDEon (talk) 13:54, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

this is not evident I understand that. Hence this absurd discussion exists. Unfortunately, to anyone with basic knowledge of spaceflight technology this is abundantly clear. See for example: SpaceX Starship launches on nail-biting 4th test flight of world's most powerful rocket https://www.space.com/spacex-starship-flight-4-test-launch-success

What you call "boosterism" and "peacock terms" are actually reality. This is:

• the biggest rocket ever launched
• the most powerful rocket ever launched
• the first successful re-entry of a booster of this class
• the first successful vertical soft landing of a booster of this class
• the first successful orbital re-entry of a space vehicle of this class
• the first successful vertical soft landing of a booster of this class

And many other firsts (more technical). This is a monumental achievement in the history of spaceflight. But sure, let's talk about Boeing Starliner. {{u|Gtoffoletto}}  ^talk 14:04, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

I can't understand why in unbiased and good faith you are actively against posting this blurb about Starship. IFT-1 and IFT-4 are subjectively notable to the same degree. HamiltonthesixXmusic (talk) 14:25, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

Oppose per Modest Genius. Not every single test needs to be posted. Seems like a recurring theme that "ooh-la-la! cool spaceship launched!" is taken into consideration here. Kline • talk • contribs 17:28, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

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(Closed) Israel–Maldives relations

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Article: Israel–Maldives relations (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The Maldives bans Israeli passport holders from entering the country, following the war in Gaza. (Post)
News source(s): Al Jazeera CNN Times of Israel The President's Office Sky News
Credits:

• Nominated by MAL MALDIVE (talk · give credit)

MAL MALDIVE (talk) 13:15, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

Oppose Minor development in the war, and the Maldives already didn't have diplomatic relations with Israel. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 13:43, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose footnote to the ongoing conflict. Masem (t) 13:47, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose per above. The Kip ^(contribs) 16:07, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose. Minor diplomatic move that won't make any difference to the war. Modest Genius ^talk 17:21, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

Oppose good attempt but oppose per Modest Genius Ion.want.uu (talk) 05:57, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

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(Posted) RD: Rosa (sea otter)

Article: Rosa (sea otter) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Monterey Bay Aquarium
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Jbvann05 (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Sea otter at the Monterey Bay Aquarium. Jbvann05 01:52, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

• Support. Well sourced, decent depth of coverage (for an otter you know). Looks good to me. DarkSide830 (talk) 04:50, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

  Actually just missed the lack of a source for her death date in the infobox. That's been rectified. It should probably be mentioned in the article proper as well. DarkSide830 (talk) 04:57, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

• Support - Sufficiently sourced and generally of decent article quality. - Bucket of sulfuric acid (talk | contribs) 10:24, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
• Not ready Still many primary YouTube sources, and several tags in the last two sections of the article. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 15:01, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

  All the cn tags have been removed now. Jbvann05 20:56, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

Not ready but I support it when it is. The "care" section has some fluff that needs removed too. EvergreenFir (talk) 15:47, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

• Support Looks well written and well sourced (though I would prefer fewer primary sources and social media ones). The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 06:18, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
• Support Article looks good. Marking as ready. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 10:02, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

Support RIP, article is in a good shape. PrinceofPunjab^TALK 13:04, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

• Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 11:15, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

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(Posted) Starliner, for real this time

Article: Boeing Crewed Flight Test (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The Boeing Starliner spacecraft conducts its maiden crewed flight, launching two astronauts to the International Space Station. (Post)
News source(s): CNN
Credits:

• Nominated by Iamstillqw3rty (talk · give credit)

Article needs updating

Just about to enter orbit (only took 14 years). Article needs updating. qw3rty 15:11, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose The most interesting aspect of the CNN report was that this mission is going to fix the ISS's urine recycler which is broken and so they are having to cross their legs up there. But our article says nothing about this and it's not clear that it counts as the sort of "going boldly" that we aspire to. Compared to the Chinese mission, this seems too lower deck to make the grade. Andrew🐉(talk) 15:51, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose. Good for Boeing I guess. This just reads as commercial news to me. DarkSide830 (talk) 18:02, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
• Support on notability Isn't this ITN/R? I believe we posted SpaceX launches in the past. This is a major milestone for the commercial crewed space program, as there is now a competitor to SpaceX. Article itself looks like may need more details. Natg 19 (talk) 18:32, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

  Looks like ITN/R had launch of crewed orbital spaceflights before, but it was removed. Natg 19 (talk) 18:32, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

• Support. Maiden crewed flight of a new spacecraft. Only the sixth in US history. Agile Jello (talk) 18:38, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

  Per the list of crewed spacecraft, it's 9th in the US and 13th overall. Unlucky for some... Andrew🐉(talk) 09:08, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose One giant leap for Boeing's involvement in the urine recycling game, only the sixth small step in corporate American space support history. InedibleHulk (talk) 18:51, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
• Wait - Until the mission concludes, but Hallelujah! It's a latter day miracle! PrecariousWorlds (talk) 18:54, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
• Weak support. We rightly removed routine ISS crew rotations and new rocket types from ITNR, so this needs to be judged on its own merits. We posted a blurb about the first SpaceX crewed launch to the space station (Crew Dragon Demo-2), so it seems fair to also post Boeing reaching the same milestone. But that should be the only time we feature this spacecraft going to the ISS. The article is underwhelming but in good enough shape to post. I can see a case for waiting until it docks with the ISS though. Modest Genius ^talk 19:01, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

  The Dragon Demo was posted in May 2020 because it was a different time with different rules on presumed importance and resistance was futile. Same reason we kept a massive box of constant COVID nearby (more or less). Nowadays, we're free! InedibleHulk (talk) 20:30, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

  Update: they're having difficulty docking CNN. Modest Genius ^talk 17:24, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

  Successfully docked, as of 17:41 UTC. Natg 19 (talk) 17:41, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

  OK. Then we should post as soon as reliable sources have reported that fact and the article has been updated. Modest Genius ^talk 17:49, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

• Support - The article is in decent shape and the notability and newsworthiness is high. Jusdafax (talk) 23:30, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
• Support notable as first for spacecraft, future crewed launches of spacecraft however shouldn't be posted. Happily888 (talk) 04:04, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
• Weak support as Boeing's first crewed launch, but future launches shouldn't be posted even if they do incrementally better. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 17:53, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
• Support notable due to being maiden flight of a spacecraft carrying crew, has happened on the order of 20 or so times in human history [osunpokeh/talk/contributions] 18:13, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

  Comment: NASA reports that the spacecraft has docked to the ISS so we may want to consider whether to include that in the blurb or not [osunpokeh/talk/contributions] 18:15, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

• Weak support per Chaotic Enby. The Kip ^(contribs) 18:59, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
• Support This marks the first crewed orbital spaceflight operated by a new entity, which brings the world's total to 5. (after the USSR/Russia, USA, China, and SpaceX) To be honest this is the level of something that should have its own ITN/R criteria, but space ITN/R has been... Slashed down very heavily over the years. This has been covered extensively in the news across its entire campaign to reach launch across the prior month, and is most certainly a major event that changes the landscape of human spaceflight. This is a major historical milestone for the subject.

Worth noting that this is ITN-worthy specifically for being the first such flight by Boeing; routine crewed flights (they're on contract to provide NASA with six more) aren't inherently newsworthy, the same as applies with routine Crew Dragon or Soyuz launches; we get a few of each for each year. However, the first by an entity is newsworthy, and (while this isn't the proper venue) is something that is a glaring absence from the ITN/R criteria. After all, as it stands India's upcoming first crewed Gaganyaan flight (on track for next year) would, in fact, not be ITN/R, as bewildering as that sounds. So that's a clear indicator that right now, there's a huge gap for spaceflights in ITN that aren't ITN/R. Nottheking (talk) 19:25, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

• Support now that they have successfully docked. --Carnildo (talk) 19:49, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
• Support for notability and reliable sourcing -- Rauisuchian (talk) 23:46, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
• Posted Stephen 03:46, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
• Pull per Andrew Davidson (talk · contribs).wound theology◈ 19:03, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
• Comment: having this up while not mentioning Starship's launch on the same day looks ridiculous. The contrast in coverage is jarring especially since many have obviously compared the two launches (since the two companies are competitors) [3]. At this point we should probably remove this as well. It looks like a paid ad for Boeing. Either mention the two (even together) or remove both. {{u|Gtoffoletto}}  ^talk 19:14, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

  That's a false equivalency. It's entirely logically consistent to think Boeing's launch is ITNworthy, while thinking SpaceX's latest isn't. Whether one (or both) actually are ITNworthy are two separate questions, but it does not look ridiculous to draw the line between them. As we've apparently done. Floquenbeam (talk) 19:19, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

  Aye. As I repeated summarily while closing the other Starbird, it was only a test. This Starcraft is "for real". A test can still be posted if consensus develops, of course. Likewise, "the real thing" can just as easily fail. InedibleHulk (talk) 19:41, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

  The difference in significance of the two launches is so vast that highlighting one versus the other is comical. One is a "for real" routine ISS crew flight (albeit with a new vehicle). The other is the first successful test of the most powerful rocket in history and the achievement of many firsts in rocketry history (full reusability, vertical landing etc.). I understand if we don't want to report all tests. But then we shouldn't highlight the Starliner ISS crew flight as it is pretty much irrelevant. {{u|Gtoffoletto}}  ^talk 12:04, 9 June 2024 (UTC)

  Nobody seems more into making this a Starliner vs Starship feud than you have, in both nominations. I find it funny, but not "ha-ha funny", and agree each is irrelevant to the other. You're probably right about all those rocket science superlatives, but you can't expect a fan of something else to get as excited about it. Nobody can, whatever their niche. Anyway, I appreciate the effort and am sure you've raised a good deal of rocketry awareness in just trying to get this across to us. InedibleHulk (talk) 03:35, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

  @Gtoffoletto I would second this. Additionally that discussion was closed and archived too soon, in a rush, preventing further opinions and discussions. It was closed after only approximately 24 hours, mostly from people who seem to be unaware of it. Ergzay (talk) 21:13, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

RD: John Blackman

Article: John Blackman (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
Credits:

• Nominated by HiLo48 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Australian TV and radio personality HiLo48 (talk) 00:29, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

• Wait for sources. InedibleHulk (talk) 19:08, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose - Noticeable lack of sources in entire sections and overabundance of CN tags. - Bucket of sulfuric acid (talk | contribs) 10:27, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose Article needs ref work. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 10:03, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose a large number of cn atgs and multiple orange tags and needs more sources. PrinceofPunjab^TALK 13:23, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

RD: Asmatullah

Article: Asmatullah (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BOL News
Credits:

• Nominated by Ainty Painty (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Ainty Painty (talk) 04:52, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose So stubby that the subject's full name and age are not given. Andrew🐉(talk) 06:22, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

  Mononymic names are not that uncommon in Indic languages. Curbon7 (talk) 20:11, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose Stub. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 07:18, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose as the page is a stub. Duke of New Gwynedd (talk | contrib.) 10:59, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
• Ditto InedibleHulk (talk) 19:20, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose per above. PrinceofPunjab^TALK 13:22, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

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