[Wikipedia-l] wiki source cvs

Sun Jan 13 23:19:39 UTC 2002

On Sun, Jan 13, 2002 at 02:07:02PM -0800, Larry Sanger wrote:
> This, by the way, would be a great feature for Wikipedia to be able to
> use; we'd certainly like Wikipedia articles to be convertable to DocBook
> XML format.  That's what we decided we wanted to use as an XML DTD for
> Nupedia, and surely we'd want to use it for Wikipedia too.
> 
> This, of course, refers to a more innocent earlier time when we actually
> thought we were going to do heavy semantic markup of Nupedia articles.
> 
> Eventually, though, we will, if we can.  So, this would be good, David!

If you want to take 'er for a spin, go to db.linuxdoc.org. Use
'guest,guest' for your username/password. Edit any document meta-data.
Click the "Edit (test)" link from within that. You'll get the
document's pseudo-wiki edit box.

When you click save it will show you the docbook it rendered.

I'm keeping meta-data separately, as you'll see in the database.

These are valid but are being expanded hourly. ;-)

=Title=			<sect1><title>Title</title>
			<sect1>

=Title|id=		<sect1 id='id'><title>Title</title>
			<sect1>

(works for other sect levels as well)

==Title==		<sect2><title>Title</title>
			</sect2>

===Title===		<sect3><title>Title</title>
			</sect3>

Foo			<para>Foo</para>

#Foo			<orderedlist>
#Bar			<listitem><para>Foo</para></listitem>
#Baz			<listitem><para>Bar</para></listitem>
			<listitem><para>Baz</para></listitem>
			</orderedlist>

*Foo			<simplelist>
*Bar			<listitem><para>Foo</para></listitem>
*Baz			<listitem><para>Bar</para></listitem>
			<listitem><para>Baz</para></listitem>
			</simplelist>

[[foo]]			<ulink url='url-to-ldp doc by that id>
			  <citetitle>document-title</citetitle>
			</ulink>

[[http://foo.org]]	<ulink url='http://foo.org'>
			  <citetitle>http://foo.org</citetitle>
			</ulink>

[[http://foo.org Foo]]	<ulink url='http://foo.org'>
			  <citetitle>Foo</citetitle>
			</ulink>

[Foo]			<filename>Foo</filename>

'''Foo'''		<emphasis>Foo</emphasis>

<foo></foo>		<foo></foo>

Or, you can insert arbitrary DocBook. It cannot be embedded within anything
else, though. In other words, you cannot have DocBook and one of the constructs
above in the same line.

Any text that starts with "<" is considered docbook, until the
close tag is found. Tags can be nested arbitrarily deep. It won't be wrapped
with <para> tags or anything, so you'll need to do that manually if you
insert DocBook.

As you can see, it's heavily influenced by Wikipedia, my only real
wiki experience. :-)

> On Sat, 12 Jan 2002, David Merrill wrote:
> 
> > On Sat, Jan 12, 2002 at 06:11:43PM -0600, Jimmy Wales wrote:
> > > The software is GPL, and if you use it, you could make the data be any
> > > license you want.  I'm happy to volunteer to host it, but I guess you
> > > guys have plenty of resources in that department already.
> > >
> > > I think that your using wikipedia software (the new version) would be good
> > > for everyone.
> >
> > Thanks very much.
> >
> > If we do in fact go with Wiki (and we're not sure of that) rather than
> > a simpler "edit this page" we roll ourselves, we will be adding to it
> > the ability to convert the tags into DocBook. So:
> >
> > *item
> > *item
> > *item
> >
> > becomes
> >
> > <simplelist>
> > <listitem>item</listitem>
> > <listitem>item</listitem>
> > <listitem>item</listitem>
> > </simplelist>
> >
> > and so on. Might be of use to you someday if you want to publish
> > something out of Wikipedia in DocBook XML format. Just keep it in
> > mind.
> >
> > I've already started such a script, 'cause we'll need it regardless.
> >
> > > David Merrill wrote:
> > >
> > > > The LDP is talking about whether to set up our own Wiki project for
> > > > working on HOWTOs. There seems to be quite a bit of interest. I don't
> > > > know what will come of it yet. I asked whether they're interested in
> > > > using Wikipedia, but I suspect we need real-time updates and stuff
> > > > like that, so it wouldn't work very well. Let me know how you feel
> > > > about this though. We're still discussing it ourselves.
> > > >
> > > > If we were to do that, we would need the licensing situation finally
> > > > established in concrete terms, as well as attribution requirements.
> > > > Any really big attribution would be an annoyance, but we'd want to
> > > > make sure Wikipedia got a mention in all HOWTOs worked on that way.
> > > > The big table would be overkill imho.
> > > >
> > > > But if we do, I would like to use the Wikipedia software. We want to
> > > > use the current editing capabilities to output DocBook format, as in:
> > > >
> > > > =Title=
> > > >
> > > > Foo
> > > >
> > > > Bar
> > > >
> > > > becomes:
> > > >
> > > > <sect1><title>Title</title>
> > > >
> > > > <para>Foo</para>
> > > >
> > > > <para>Bar</para>
> > > >
> > > > </sect1>
> > > >
> > > > and so on. How is the software licensed, and can I get access to the
> > > > cvs? I don't think I'll need commit rights. I'll fix any bugs I run
> > > > into and send a patch if that happens.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > David C. Merrill                         http://www.lupercalia.net
> > > > Linux Documentation Project                   david at lupercalia.net
> > > > Collection Editor & Coordinator            http://www.linuxdoc.org
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from innovating in the future, the head honchos in Redmond ought to spend
some energy trying to figure out what force has prevented them from
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