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Have a look[edit]
Have a look at these edits. Substantial removal of content. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 16:44, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
Dwayne Johnson[edit]
Please discuss the section heading change at Talk:Dwayne_Johnson#Section_heading. Ravensfire (talk) 13:16, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
Italics[edit]
Hi. You raised a good point here and I cannot really argue with that, but I'm sort of stuck between following the manual of style and the examples set by a featured article such as Shah Rukh Khan. In Khan's article for example, the name of the Order of Arts and the Letters is italicized in French, while Padma Shri is not. Should we just remove the italics in both his and Rai Bachchan's articles or should we apply the manual of style strictly? Just asking for an opinion. Keivan.fTalk 14:34, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
- (talk page stalker) That was a fairly recent edit, it was done here, with an edit summary pointing to MOS:FOREIGNITALIC. Does that apply to awards? I'm not sure, as well how would that apply to Indian awards. MOS:FOREIGN isn't 100% clear either. It's mentioned that a proper name shouldn't be italicized, unless it would be for another reason, with the example given being the title of a book or play. Might be worth a question on the MOS talk page. Ravensfire (talk) 15:52, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Ravensfire: Thanks for bringing that up. I think their edit actually does follow the manual of style (depending on how you interpret it), but I'm starting to think that the guidelines are a little bit vague. Like what if the name is prevalent enough in English? I guess Padma Shri and the other Indian honours are relatively common terms in Indian English. Another option would be mentioning the French honour (Order of Arts and the Letters) by its English name; after all the other French honour is described as "Legion of Honour" in the case of Shah Rukh Khan and Amitabh Bachchan, so I don't understand why the same cannot be done for this one. If I don't get enough input here then I'll consider a discussion on the MOS talk page. Keivan.fTalk 16:36, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
- Legion of Honour is an interesting one as it seems it is generally referred to by the English text - the article is at Legion of Honour (at least here), not at the french text. Even for Ordre des Arts et des Lettres, there's a redirect for Order of Arts and Letters and there are multiple articles that use the English text - Meryl_Streep, Bruce Willis, [1] for more. Inconsistency at it's finest! Yay! The Indian awards don't seem to have a translated-to-english that's normally used - nothing in the article lead or a redirect. I did a search in the MOS talk archives, [2] was interesting. Having said that, Ordre des Arts et des Lettres has it in italics in the article itself, Padma Shri is not. So should we be consistent with the format in the article? Every time I look into something, it seems like I can switch sides. Sorry, not helpful, I know. Ravensfire (talk) 17:44, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
- I think whatever we choose, we should be consistent across articles. :) Krimuk2.0 (talk) 18:58, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Krimuk2.0: I hope you don't mind us descending on your talk page :)
- @Ravensfire: My solution would be to use the English name for the Ordre des Arts et des Lettres in both Khan and Rai Bachchan's articles. That eliminates the MOS:FOREIGNITALIC issue and makes it consistent with "Legion of Honour". I'd also say there is no need to keep "Padma Shri" italicised since the phrase is prevalent in Indian English and I don't see italics being used for it in any of the other articles. If you agree on this, I'll make the necessary changes. Keivan.fTalk 19:53, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
- Concur with the hope for forbearance!
- Keivan.f - that sounds like a good approach to me. Krimuk2.0, okay with you? Ravensfire (talk) 19:56, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
- I think whatever we choose, we should be consistent across articles. :) Krimuk2.0 (talk) 18:58, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
- Legion of Honour is an interesting one as it seems it is generally referred to by the English text - the article is at Legion of Honour (at least here), not at the french text. Even for Ordre des Arts et des Lettres, there's a redirect for Order of Arts and Letters and there are multiple articles that use the English text - Meryl_Streep, Bruce Willis, [1] for more. Inconsistency at it's finest! Yay! The Indian awards don't seem to have a translated-to-english that's normally used - nothing in the article lead or a redirect. I did a search in the MOS talk archives, [2] was interesting. Having said that, Ordre des Arts et des Lettres has it in italics in the article itself, Padma Shri is not. So should we be consistent with the format in the article? Every time I look into something, it seems like I can switch sides. Sorry, not helpful, I know. Ravensfire (talk) 17:44, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Ravensfire: Thanks for bringing that up. I think their edit actually does follow the manual of style (depending on how you interpret it), but I'm starting to think that the guidelines are a little bit vague. Like what if the name is prevalent enough in English? I guess Padma Shri and the other Indian honours are relatively common terms in Indian English. Another option would be mentioning the French honour (Order of Arts and the Letters) by its English name; after all the other French honour is described as "Legion of Honour" in the case of Shah Rukh Khan and Amitabh Bachchan, so I don't understand why the same cannot be done for this one. If I don't get enough input here then I'll consider a discussion on the MOS talk page. Keivan.fTalk 16:36, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
Solution[edit]
Hi Krimuk2.0. Regarding the redirects; I searched each of these terms up before creating a redirect out of them and I would not have gone ahead if I were not getting online results. I honestly don't have the stamina to fight over trivial stuff and I'm sure you have other important things to handle. As I've said before I have no strong feelings about this. Just send me a list of the redirects you think are problematic and I'll ask one of the admins to delete them. That will spare me the stress of handling multiple discussions at the same time. I hope you are not harboring any ill feelings because of this; because as a person who is surrounded by women who have not taken up their husbands' surnames, being "misogyny" would be the last thing I'd want my work to be associated with :) All the best. Keivan.fTalk 19:50, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
- No ill feelings at all and no attack on you or your edits in any way. The "misogyny" comment was also not directed towards you, but towards the general assumption amongst very many Indians (including our journalists) who think that a woman's name should automatically change after her marriage, which I find infuriating. As far as I can see, the ones I've nominated for now are the only ones that exist. I'm sorry for the troubles. Krimuk2.0 (talk) 19:53, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
- Not at all; I'm the one who should be apologizing for creating the headache in the first place. I totally understand and I can assure you that this is not something that happens only in India. My aim has always been to follow the sources, and well, the sources are not always accurate or morally correct. Your argument has been convincing, and I wouldn't mind the redirects getting deleted with the sole exception of Rani Mukerji because she herself has embraced the alternative name at least once. Best of luck in your endeavors. Cheers. Keivan.fTalk 20:04, 26 May 2024 (UTC)